Thanks so much for bearing with me! That’s all the info I needed , I just want to make sure I’m on the right wavelength! 
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Hi Alberto,
Thanks for your clarifications. I have one last question: what do you mean with the 34% rebate?
Thanks again
I went through the document, replied to some comments and added some more. This version is now called “06-10 (TCs MD AC RB LH)”, and it’s saved in the “Archive” folder: Login – Nextcloud
After that went through the document again, and I accepted all tracked changes that I thought were non-controversial. I also re-edited the text a bit, separating paragraphs were needed, creating a new article here and there, and I harmonised the formatting. This version is called “06-10 (cleaned yet with some TCs left”: Login – Nextcloud
Sometimes I left some minor TCs where I made them, just because I want to be sure you’ve seen them. Once you have seen them, can you please accept them so that the document becomes cleaner?
Finally, one small comment: @alberto, I tried to respect your annotations, but in the end there are not that many explanatory comments that my preference would be to strive for a comments-free document. Would that work for you?
Here’s a list of things that need further thought or action:
Can you please have a look at these and help me out to further clean up the document?
Also: would you agree if I’d send the document to the lawyer in the course of tomorrow, with a request to check the document by Friday, or do you prefer to wait until the next iteration?
5.13 GA Vote
- Here we have Alberto’s reformulation that aims to say “two votes per household, regardless of the number of unit they own and regardless the number of people in the household”. This wording still needs checking by a French-speaker and/or the lawyer.
5.12 and 5.14 GA quorum and majority
This we’ll address as a separate topic at the plenary. A proposal is in the proposals folder.
6.2 Board governance and quorum
Here I added a little clause based on what they have in Spiegel: quorum and no proxies. I highlighted it just so you will see it. Comments welcome.
7. Obligations des Associés
All in all this section in De Spiegel’s statutes was a bit messy (things were added on top of things etc, sometimes they were in the wrong place, sometimes they were overly specific). The different stage that they were in when they incorporated also doesn’t help.
I tried to clean things up a little and simplify stuff where possible, but more work is needed.
Key points I would like to improve, with the help of Mark and the lawyer:
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Get rid of the clauses on subsidies if possible.
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Be clear on what the “document de réservation” is, and hence clarify that the 100k clause only kicks in just before we sign the contract with the entrepreneur.
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Add more clarity on the distribution key: the text is a bit messy and all over the place when it’s stating which costs one is expected to cover. Having it well defined in Article 7.5 (“montant de l’apport financier”) should fix this.
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The point on the cost of the purchase of the site (Article 7.8) is an illustration of the messiness around costs. I’m hopeful we can improve this.
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Alberto’s top-up clause (Article 7.9) needs to be checked by the lawyer.
9.3 Retreat
@sarah asked a question about what happens to the people who vote “no” if the group decides to increase the budget by more than 10%. In De Spiegel’s statutes this is rather clear (this gives people the right to leave), so I left a comment with a question to the lawyer.
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@reef-finance, I noted that at the end of the document it says “destiné à un dépôt machin truc chez le notaire à Namur”, which reminded me to check with you whether you have everything in place to get things moving once the statutes have been approved?
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My understanding is that you cannot satisfy both at the same time (i.e. mutualise rebate and pass on the abbatement) as they are mutually exclusive, I suggest we revisit in Team Finance.
The rebate (actually 36% of the initial registration fees), can be claimed upon the second transaction, when the initial buyers sell lots to the non-owners. It is important to compose this second group (as much as possible) of buyers who have the right to the abbatement, so as to avoid payment of additional registration costs. Here a summary in NL/FR: Zo dient u een teruggave van uw betaalde registratiekosten in
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It’s just a tax discount. When you buy a site, and then resell it within two years, you get 36% of the VAT back. VAT on 1 mil is 210K, one third of that is about 70K.
Let’s do that.
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For those who are not following this in detail: we now have a pre-final (clean enough to read) version, which is saved in the “société simple” folder: Login – Nextcloud
The major points for improvement are listed in post no 23 above. All feedback is welcome, with no promises though that we will find the energy or mindspace to make it to perfection.
There will be a topic on Saturday’s plenary meeting, where we will go over the major changes and seek consent on a couple of issues that require a group consent decision.
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@marcelh this is also for your information.
Lang verhaal kort: we richten volgende week onze maatschap op, en je bent erbij! We worden maatjes! 
Alle feedback welkom. We kunnen ook even bellen als dat helpt.
Still a remark linked to the 10%, I assume this is on the casco price? (or is that a detail?)
No need for me to integrate this in the current statutes, but maybe to save somewhere for the revision in 6 months?
Yes, it must be casco and it’s on my list.
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