15:32:29 Parents, because I'm in case of Susanna her grandparents are very much pro populists right wing.
15:32:39 euro skeptical political party and their parents are her parents are much more tolerant and they burst their attitude to kind of like political and social phenomena of late.
15:32:59 Yeah, there is. So, let me just reiterate that we should not code.
15:33:05 The questions posed by interviews, that's one thing. Second thing, when I was coding that I realized that it is kind of more difficult or actually it's required me to think a bit more than, then, when compared to what I had to do when I was coding to
15:33:30 the previous batch of material, because in those longest texts before we could only use one single code.
15:33:42 Once I mean, we had this assumption that we should not use any given code more than once for any given unit of analysis that is the post.
15:33:53 The same applies here but since it is kind of like divided into smaller chunks.
15:34:00 You have to bear in mind that even if the respondent doesn't mention specifically something in this post because this this this thing I highlighted here and is a post so this kind of like the unit of analysis that the system looks at.
15:34:17 We still should coded to make it meaningful.
15:34:20 So she says here, like from what I know they are kind of skeptical, they think that the US, the US doesn't want to interfere and polish internal affairs, and it does want to interfere, or sorry yeah yeah but it does want to interfere in the Polish internal
15:34:42 Oh sorry yeah yeah but it does want to interfere in the Polish internet furs and that it should not do that. And the in the European Union is there just juice and and facts, so she doesn't actually mention here explicitly who thinks that.
15:35:00 So, we know from from the previous part that she's talking about her grandparents specifically. So what I did here I just added like what is like the older people, which is again a market for, grandparents, to make it meaningful because without that we
15:35:17 we just have your skepticism which mentions the Jews, which you mentioned homosexuality or the gays with needs still to introduce the changes suggested by Richard, that we should distinguish between homosexuality and homosexuals or like gays, lesbians
15:35:33 and.
15:35:47 Most of you I hope we had this idea of introducing the syntactic analysis into our projects, namely that we should be able to distinguish between like agents or the subjects of what people are saying objects verbs and what mods, which we weren't able
15:36:09 to do because the system would require quite extensive overhaul for us to be able to do that. But I think that while trying to code, especially like shorter pieces of texts, we should burn that syntactic structure in mind.
15:36:32 So, at least this is my proposal My suggestion, because it helps me kind of make those
15:36:46 aggregates of codes kind of meaningful, or the connections between them, because if I could, if I just called it some phenomena, they would obviously co worker with each other.
15:36:57 But, um, if I can add some agents to that are objects of people who are acted upon and people who act, then it makes it more meaningful and in this context, it just begs me to to put those elderly here because otherwise we wouldn't know who actually has
15:37:19 this opinion. and I think it's it's it's it's worthwhile.
15:37:19 So, again, even, even if if the subject is right if the respondent mentioned, who does what, to whom, and we know that from previous or the following parts of the text.
15:37:32 I think that we should consider adding them, even though they are not in the text.
15:37:38 As such, they think about it maybe just stop here and ask for feedback.
15:37:44 If I may add one more thing to this, this, so that the function of this thinking in terms of the syntax. I just realized as voted was talking, it can have two functions.
15:37:59 One, that it would be a separate way of analyzing the text which we can do either systematically or at least from time to time on some fragments of the post or some posts or more importantly perhaps it is the device, to, to, is simply look what after
15:38:18 you're done coding, you're looking at the margin, and you go through the codes for a given specific fragment, and you try to figure out whether the story that is sort of told by the codes implicitly Of course, corresponds as closely as possible to the
15:38:43 actual story in the natural language of the speaker.
15:38:49 So, this, this is something that we discussed. That's whatever over a year ago maybe more.
15:38:56 This idea that some people have who talked about coding, which is called holistic coding.
15:39:06 And just to remind you that Hawkins, who is one of the key people working on coding populists texts. He advocates for this method right but you do not code granularity.
15:39:20 And kind of think about the code, only in terms of, you know, one word, or one small unit of language, but you actually look at the whole and you have at least some codes that reflect sort of the general tenor or, or are helping with reconstructing the
15:39:39 story that exists in the post right and and i think Voytek did.
15:39:57 I just, you know, learned about it this morning I think he did a great job, kind of, making sure after he's done code of course it takes more time after he's done coding kind of one more time review the right margin and see if those codes, kind of CO
15:40:05 here.
15:40:05 and at least to some degree, to a meaningful Story Of course this is not the story per se but you know once you know the codes and you look at them. You say okay I didn't miss anything right everything that was said in that fragment I coded is in the
15:40:24 codes. And, you know, try to always think that that's that's at least what we're trying to do and we're working on the code book to imagine the final product right which is the visualization which will give us the shows the edges and, and then different
15:40:43 forms of reducing the information, different ways of reconstructing the, the, the structure of the, of the discourse and.
15:40:55 But I think this is a step forward I mean that this in this way of coding, and now that we are more disciplined and we have fewer codes because the hope.
15:41:09 So Nika knows our main, we had so many codes that were like telling the story of everything and then we decided no we have to discipline the coding a little bit by our theoretical question so it was a little bit more back and forth between theory and
15:41:24 and what is happening on the ground. I mean, we are, we have a task, right, we have a duty in a sense, because of the amount of money we got from the European Union is to tell people who will want to listen to us at the end.
15:41:39 What the heck is going on with those right wing populist right. So, but that that was the kind of a disciplining move and I think now.
15:41:50 As much as I can see all this this is just the beginning of this new process right. And I think we got it under control much better anyway.
15:42:01 So Nick I I see your hand up.
15:42:18 I guess two things I'm wondering one. Do you have, or do you use any distinctions that correspond something like we are strong version of the code like somebody is like really you're skeptical or just kind of you're skeptical.
15:42:34 And the other one is.
15:42:35 I was trying to figure out if you have that or not from your context about attempting these syntactic distinctions, and that sounded like a lot, but what I'm wondering is if you distinguish in some way between I guess self reportage and nested clauses,
15:42:54 like I'm your ethical or I think my neighbors are you're skeptical or does it all get coated in the same way.
15:43:02 Yeah, but Well, yeah, you ask the questions right in the center of our endless debates. So, that's wonderful. Because you are. We are on the same wavelength, obviously.
15:43:17 And so, the answers. After many discussions to both of those questions are the following. First, we decided that we are not going to capture by specific codes that intense the level of intensity.
15:43:32 We talked about it endlessly but then we decide you know there are very painful trade offs, as you know, in this kind of job of coding at reducing information so yeah we know a decision was not to do that.
15:43:48 Initially we tried but anyway, we don't do that anymore.
15:43:52 That's a short answer, and on the second question.
15:43:56 The second question was about the nested.
15:44:02 If somebody is talking about somebody else, ya know, reportage, why do I know, again, no, the answer is no, it will, it was, it was we went through this for like two months, we created a system that would take care of it we were very much aware that this
15:44:23 is a serious issue. And then once we were kind of close to having that system developed, we looked at it and it was so complex, because then you have to separately code, literally, yeah the, the essence of the question is, is, who is talking, are they
15:44:43 talking about themselves are they reporting someone else's views. Are they reporting the views of their grandmother or their partner or the government or this or that.
15:44:54 And then we realized, you know, it would multiply the codes to the level that we decided the, which was a conscious decision we have to we have to again.
15:45:05 Cut somewhere, and we have to reduce.
15:45:08 And we decided to just see what happens, someone mentions, whatever.
15:45:15 The European Union controlled by the Jews.
15:45:18 That's the code, you know the edge appears between the Jews and European Union, the graph will show it.
15:45:26 And I guess, you know, we are very much aware that this this, the game of interpretation needs to be constantly moving up and down the ladder of abstraction.
15:45:41 So you see a lot of is happening on the edge in the European Union and the Jews, then you dig, because the under click, you go back to the text qualitative analysis.
15:45:53 Right.
15:45:53 You observe there's an important issue here.
15:45:56 You know one of the advantages of course of this method is that it will reveal a lot of connections that are not visible on the surface unexpected connections, and then you kind of are oh my gosh there's an interesting edge here.
15:46:09 Let's go in. Let's go back in to the text, right.
15:46:14 So that, that kind of going back and forth between the fish say, you know, the way I see it, Alberto you can correct me when I think I got it finally if you look at the visualization and then you go back to the text and you write the analysis that is
15:46:30 both more kind of quant quantitative in the sense, but in this very specific sense of our system, and then qualitative comes back.
15:46:42 And that, of course, kind of depends on the skill of the interpreter you know how you will tell your story, what is happening in the story that you're analyzing right.
15:46:52 Got it. Thank you.
15:46:56 Oh man I say a few words about that.
15:47:01 May I say a few words about that. Oh, I feel that I'm kind of like getting into the shoes of Alberta and advocating the system but.
15:47:09 So, basically, with the word light like this. Okay, can you see it, like, this is this is the the the old system.
15:47:33 We can introducing a cold subjects or subjects, and then public manipulating that.
15:47:42 But again, this would be for us to to double or even triple the the number of codes and we're working, like, I know that we probably have like a dozen hundred of them already, which is quite a lot for the system to process.
15:47:58 So, um, in this case, if we have a long text, which is quite long.
15:48:05 All of those codes, Concord ones with each other. We have like from this one particular input. We had like military conflict co occurring with separation of church and state state funds mismanagement petitioners tariffs abortion civic awareness evidence
15:48:22 based and so on. So from from this amount of information that this this kind of got of fuzzy and confusing. And it would only start making sense.
15:48:34 If you adopted the assumption that what we're working on is kind of like Big Data collective intelligence and those meaningful emergent connections they started appearing.
15:48:49 Only after a certain threshold of saturation is achieved so the more texts we have at our disposal, the more meaningful the connections become because those all those codes with Corker ones with each other so that the strength of connection or coworkers
15:49:03 would equal one. With this new method of coding, we are able to kind of all be it.
15:49:11 Say we do it much more subjectively, and then we kind of like shape that the message that reshape will try to recreate the message that the respondent wanted to convey in their in their words.
15:49:29 But we're kind of like, yeah, taking a smaller snippet of that information and making it into farming it into meaningful input for the system to analyze.
15:49:41 So, best, We kind of decided on so far.
15:49:48 And like Kim said we, at some point we had this system of putting something into single inverted commas to show that somebody is using a given term like for example in a post communism or something like that, in a way that is not fully aligned with the
15:50:06 proper definition or understanding is. So what's been like a pseudo or just this course it usage, but but for the sake of it called the reliability, we decided to get rid of that, just mess up our results.
15:50:29 And, yeah, so that that's one thing and second, by using this new method of recording the information that we've internalized
15:50:40 that,
15:50:44 like,
15:50:47 the coder has a much greater role to play, basically. So, for example, we know that Zanna that she's like shortly described here that the beginning of the interview she's like in her late 20s.
15:51:03 She's kind of like an artsy type of, she's kind of like needing to the left.
15:51:11 When it comes to her political alignment. So we kind of need to put it somewhere so that it makes sense like there is a fragment in which she speaks about how her political views developed, and she speaks about going to an art school where they were like
15:51:51 I don't know, I'm things.
15:51:53 So, even though she doesn't mention here that Hello I'm Suzanne 20 years old and I'm kind of left leaning person.
15:52:04 We should also consider putting it here, that she's a member of the younger generation when she speaks about her peers, we should we should put, like, again whatever we decide millennials or generation code that we have here, so that codes like left left
15:52:21 left wing feminism
15:52:26 support groups need for change freedom bubbles correlates with what she's trying to describe because she had a boyfriend who was very homophobic and she got aggressive with them.
15:52:42 So we have a question here too But nevertheless, we kind of.
15:52:50 It seems to me at least, And I I request your input on that.
15:52:57 As coders we have a much greater role to play here when it comes to our coding practices because we're not only coding what is there.
15:53:05 But we kind of maybe should consider trying to recreate the story behind behind the contents of a given post.
15:53:17 And if I may add something again for Nika to, to see how we are doing this how we're thinking about it. So, you see here for example feminism and Catholic Church, right.
15:53:33 So, we were thinking, you know, it may be that this relationship is seen.
15:53:41 Let's assume.
15:53:43 Reality is not but let's assume this relationship can be either positive or negative, Right.
15:53:47 So we spend a lot of time thinking about if we could create a system of codes that will give us this information, whether they are in a, in a whatever some kind of friendly relationship or it's a it's a war, obviously it's a war but, you know, may happen,
15:54:04 right. So, then we realized that the game, it was adding so much complexity to the system.
15:54:14 And we decided not to do that. Right. So, right now, and here's how I think about all of this.
15:54:21 We are not going to have a massive massive amount of text we will have a quite a bit of it considerable few hundred interviews peps across all the languages.
15:54:32 And we will, so it is manageable in the following sense. I go to the visualization visualization shows the edge. The link between feminism and Catholic Church becomes of this of interest to many of us right say this, this, this edge is relatively thick,
15:54:53 you know has a value of 10 or 15 or 20 means that 20 times this, the relationship appeared in the analyzed post. Well, then you want to figure out what is going on, what kind of relationship that is really in what terms people talk about this relationship,
15:55:13 you have to go back to the original text. Right. So this in this way we are. And you know, we will have to write in our methodological explanation that we are relying quite a bit on the qualitative analysis in IE, a close reading of the text in a constant
15:55:33 dialogue with those beautiful visualizations that that Alberta will be creating and that's from the very beginning we, we, in a way, you know, we think that our strength is taking seriously both sides of the process.
15:55:51 The attention to the, the certain degree at least of detail, and various efforts to abstract out of it and create a more general picture.
15:56:02 So that's that's that's the thing.
15:56:07 If I knew, add must be for a voice check,
15:56:11 very easily. Id literature that attempted to break down.
15:56:22 Human conversation into a sort of structured form. So, you would say
15:56:32 the Catholic Church is bad for feminism and that will be called the claim, and then you would bring gives you say something as it will be labeled as a pro.
15:56:42 Supporting argument or a contract or a, an expansion, or a specification that phase of
15:57:07 That phase because you you you end up dying to
15:56:57 put human interaction in agreed.
15:57:04 Which is why way to die. So, learning from that part of that line of research which also called itself collective intelligence of times before arguments mapping.
15:57:16 Then we kind of said, this is not the way to go the way to go is ethnography, so stay with Dexter stating the god Dexter it being vetted by the owner from let's see randomly meet additional stochastic inquiry, but then if you are, if a corpus is very
15:57:36 large, you use the data analysis to to generate hypotheses or intuitions but when you verify them through the like like young just said through reading the text, and that becomes feasible, because even though you might have.
15:57:54 Whatever 4000 posts, there will be only those 20 that carry the relationship between feminism the Catholic Church and that's doable.
15:58:04 So if you don't understand where there is a facade yellow beneficial or whatever. You just need to read 20 books you're going to take,
15:58:13 you know, half an hour.
15:58:17 Yeah.
15:58:20 Yeah. Can I just add one more thing.
15:58:35 I guess it also helps us to think through, you know, something we went through many times in our minds but it's really a great opportunity to, to talk to you about it so to kind of Refresh. Refresh all of this, you know, going through, through that.
15:58:41 A going back to the data allows us to kind of think more carefully.
15:58:50 Again, about the link between what we see in the data and some theoretical expectations right what is in the literature on, on, on right wing populism right so there's another element in all of this, but this is not you know what is what is known as the
15:59:08 grounded theory that you know, you know, which I never believed existed, but you know, you kind of go and, you know, suddenly the reality starts talking to you.
16:00:54 We did this method allows us to see unexpected things and I will give you one example from the very very preliminary early analysis about Poland, right.
16:00:39 So, you have this thing that you know and as well as published literature and I contributed to that that Poland is the most successful post communist country, you look at the numbers, everything looks, you know better than in other countries have after
16:00:53 some time, you know, the first country that was post communist country that was declared to be the advanced the market economy, not the developed market economy know to developing market economy, and so on.
16:01:08 And, you know, but ethnography has always had doubts about, you know, there's a lot of suffering, there's a lot of stuff that's happening on the ground that that doesn't allow you to produce this kind of rosy picture.
16:01:21 A lot of people have who lost on the transpose communist transformation, the horrible situation of women who are under the attack of increasingly militant Catholic Church and right wing forces that gain more and more power in the society over time since
16:01:38 89, all of this week.
16:01:41 So, but we kind of discovered, for example, that the people talk about something we early called a cardboard state.
16:01:51 He was like, we didn't think about it, I mean we suddenly realized that those people who are in those conversations who are sharing with us their, their knowledge, their views.
16:02:02 They suffer. And they suffer because that estate is incredibly indolent, it really doesn't work the way it should work, but that there's this return to, which will you know other anthropologists particularly wrote about but there is this kind of reprivatisation,
16:02:20 because people need to take care of their problems because they do not get it from the very inefficient state, but it is not exactly the same complaint, for example that we see in in the in the chat material right but it was very loud in the Polish material.
16:02:36 So, that's another thing that we have as an advantage right, we have a comparative.
16:02:42 Okay, we can build contrast in our certainly to language communities hopefully also with German one below but it goes, slightly different direction, but but you know we've spent a lot of time so you know already talking about the building another our
16:02:59 own contribution to this debate of the difference between the Polish and check societies and situations which are indeed extremely interesting. But, again, that that cardboard state, it was like a discovery, you know, we can we can talk about something
16:03:18 that not too many people in the literature as much as we know it. talk about it.
16:03:25 And it came from the analysis of the material.
16:03:33 Anyway, that's a great example.
16:03:38 Okay. Any anybody else. Any other ideas and questions may be
16:03:47 one appeal again, that we we want, please. I know everybody's, I mean it is absolutely horrific and we are all.
16:03:58 You know, consumed by both by the news from Ukraine and I know many of us are trying to do something about one way or another, to help with this this quarter but but if you find a moment please go and, and to the spreadsheets, and there are there's a
16:04:16 number of still have question that not where there's maybe a bit, but I think it can go very quickly. The fact that there are still some questions attached to some codes doesn't mean that the coded cannot restart it actually very effectively can restart.
16:04:34 But still, you know at some point we want to finish cleaning up the code book and,
16:04:41 you know, at some point we have to start putting it in some kind of publishable form I mean I'm not saying that we're going to publish it as a document.
16:04:50 But we will publish it online, in some ways for him right so people will be able to see, you know how it was done.
16:04:59 But yeah, so please when you find a moment go back to the spreadsheets and we know right the comments in the way that we address it to specific people as much as we can determine, usually it is you know who created the code.
16:05:16 Right. But if you again if you think that you need someone else to inter intervene and and whatever.
16:05:24 Have a little discussion or whatever you need to just as wrote a note. Make a note that, that you are inviting the person, x. To finish, discussing code numbers 7558, or something like that.
16:05:42 Okay, mania.
16:05:45 The dog is the speed
16:05:48 up, you cannot talk too loud.
16:05:54 Anyways, um, before we run out of time, I want to just update you on our on what we decided to do about ethnography our cognitive and in the in the in the context of ongoing war in Ukraine.
16:06:12 So, as this topic is inevitable inevitable.
16:06:17 We decided to kind of start talking with our interviewees about the government or responses to the war in the country also like kind of like joint and cooperation with different mental responses to cover it 19 of the pandemic and then inflation that falls
16:06:33 from the week so we have a dystopic government 19 economic crisis and then the war and how and independent depending on what seems to be important for our interview you will go either into, like, what the banks are doing or, meaning the rising prices
16:06:54 of loans that are input because in Poland we have fixed interest loans. Surprisingly, we do have if we have interest loans that are adjustable based on whatever and then have the rising gas prices and other prices so this is a typical and we'll talk about
16:07:07 that and maybe in there to policies and there may be issues of refugees, refugees versus refugees Ukrainian veggies of that are better kind maybe and then like for instance comparing them to this overall so kind.
16:07:22 So we'll just go where interviewee, kind of, kind of takes us what's interesting to them. And, and that's that's that basically we will start from the next week with this we'll see how it goes.
16:07:35 We are pretty optimistic about it so in meantime I also want to say that except this abstract was submitted to this conference. ASEASEES, how on the east other monies.
16:07:55 So, yeah, freeze yes good. So, we also wrote abstract, we submitted abstract to the ass is that European Association also challenge for the conference, it's about transition and our topic is about the questions like cardboard states of failure transformational
16:08:14 transition so we're kind of like, how was it will post it to the platform.
16:08:19 We're kind of building on our understanding of the field work we are doing, and maybe we'll be down below our own article on that based on our like classical analysis of interviews just excited exciting for us because so anyway we are at number four is
16:08:35 so we are just kind of keen on using all this thing we think we have in our head, except recording. I mean, on the top on top of coding it we, as a team are going to produce based on the data.
16:08:49 And this is what I want to say, and I guess if I summarize our meetings this week. I think that's all.
16:09:00 Is it yeah it beautifully money have nothing to add. But just like from some preliminary findings. And generally, you know, looking at the online public networks that I've been studying up until now.
16:09:20 I think there's a lot of interesting overlap between responses to cultivate and responses to, you know, the crisis in Ukraine, and actually, I know we are new kind of mentioned, maybe a bit in a in a desperate state that now no one cares about populism
16:09:41 but I actually think, at least in the Czech context there will be a great impact on on the scene and I already start seeing that you know some of the responses of us better and some of the other more right wing conservative parties, really you know championing
16:10:02 the interests of the nation and its people. So I think we're we are about to see some really, you know, new interesting inputs and there will definitely be a way to connect the data that we collected.
16:10:19 Up until now, with what's gonna come and one thing we discussed with money and maybe we even thought that we're not gonna mention it because it might complicate things but it's it's it's something that we could think about and that's, whether it would
16:10:36 be useful for our analysis and for the needs of the project at this stage to maybe contact back, the people that we've interviewed up until now and add some questions on their stances on, on the Ukrainian crisis, so maybe not maybe the priority should
16:10:55 be getting more new data and having bigger volume of respondents but but yeah that's that's it.
16:11:07 The last one I know it's uh yeah we need to think about it I guess but very quickly.
16:11:13 Two things.
16:11:14 I think it's brilliant what you described the that that concentration of governmental responses. I think it's spot on absolutely because that emerges as the huge issue in in the, the, even I use this example for Nika of the cardboard state rather than
16:11:35 that. Certainly feeds. This, this anxiety and anger in the society which then this for some people translates into the support for right wing populist so yeah and then and you said it beautifully right like responses to cover it versus responses to war
16:11:52 and that's that's perfect. I think it's a central as can get.
16:11:58 And then, yes. On the second topic populace and war, the, just to tell you we this week, been quite busy because we had a visitor in the department, given talks and even talking to my class yesterday.
16:12:18 voiceprint Sadosky who is one of the main people writing about constitutional law and the rights of right wing populism he wrote this fantastic book The Poland's constitutional breakdown, published by Oxford and a, you know, in his conversations in the
16:12:34 department this week.
16:12:35 This was one of the main themes, actually we had a public event, and we forgot to record it unfortunately. On Wednesday, you know that Dan Keller man who is my chair now he's one of the best, if not, one of the few top experts on the EU and law and Sadosky
16:12:53 were in the conversation, and they agreed that those two topics, the right wing populism, and, and, and it was cannot be separated, they actually are part of the package.
16:13:10 In the following sense that there's one of the victims of right wing populist in Poland is this guy called to lay up. He's the judge who was criticizing the government that didn't want to follow the decisions of the European Court of Justice, you may
16:13:27 know that the Polish government said Go fuck yourself. We with the EU law doesn't concern us, which is you know that the most brazen response ever by any member of the EU is worse than Hungarian responses, or band didn't go that far as polls dead but
16:13:44 now. No, it's a separate thing that they may survive it because they are know that the heroes of the world, helping the refugees that, of course, the people do that government takes the credit for it.
16:13:58 Justice or judge to layer and Sadecki quoted him, said this as clearly as it can be said. He said, because someone asked him, is there a link between right wing populism, and you know that would oppose government is doing, and this war.
16:14:15 And he said, obviously there is a link, just think about Russia being the country of the rule of law.
16:14:21 I am sure they wouldn't have the war, they wouldn't have started the war, if this was the country roughly, having some constraints on power in the form of the rule of law.
16:14:33 So here you have it. Right. That's why take by the way just shared with me another article about with a lot of interesting new information about putting supporting right wing, the far right wing movements like Why didn't you posted I.
16:14:51 Like, why don't you posted I. Many people are interested in it far right wing movements throughout Europe. But anyway, so yeah, that's perfect. what would you do a yoga.
16:15:08 Just like the general thought because we were trying to introduce the whole evolution of our debate and coding.
16:15:17 And I think it's really interesting to see how we came from very different ends of the whole spectrum in terms of the material that we were quoting from the very beginning and how that influences methodologies that we were implementing through all the
16:15:31 time.
16:15:32 I might even there to say, despite the fact that that was not the plan will void that our young described as this syntactic coding that we will reach this domain of latent coding and try to bring the things that are not necessarily may be mentioned in
16:15:47 the text. I think that as we were progressing with learning throughout our original data set, we can like we're doing that, we were trying to establish the meanings because we had a completely different structures on the text that we were recording compared
16:16:02 to the Polish content, as we actually have conversations, very short snippets of text that were reacting to each other, that were in, let's say, relative relationships syntactically content wise in between them so we were some whoa force, though that
16:16:24 wasn't really our plan to do what we think anyone you came up with, as you also encountered.
16:16:31 I would say a different type of material that you started coding and all together, doing all those rounds and circles around how to represent and reduce our content into codes.
16:16:46 I think what you young and Wojtek what you talked about then also Alberto I can summarize very clearly that you just always need to get back to text if you want to do the qualitative analysis instead of basically developing a new form of a language of
16:16:59 your own to rewrite what was said in the natural language.
16:17:04 I think this show, very pretty nicely, that we need to do that anyway during the code review the last healthier nine months of code review that you did that we did on the codes on all the forums and we had to work of course the language is because all
16:17:25 sudden articles started into linking things to the fact that we were collecting material. Somehow grounded in the comet theory that all just very naturally this this is not a constructed methodology that we formally build up i think is just like a logical
16:17:38 output of everything that's been happening so far so just like my price.
16:17:44 I think very nicely formulated and we just have to consciously do all those important aspects.
16:17:52 Formal question that I think might really help us get on with decoding. Now that we're starting with this new methodology, you started developing a syntax for code labeling syntax that's based on using prefixes, that are categorizing the extra vocals
16:18:11 by the epsilon level calls.
16:18:15 And if we wanted to work. We need to all be very consistent in this, and the syntax has not been implemented across all the sections and sub sections of the code Okay, if I'm not mistaken.
16:18:29 And why am I saying in because now we start coding and every time we call it, we basically decided that we will be grading the codes in you, right that instead of doing it like formally on mass we will go from both ends merging doing the operations in
16:18:43 the back, and I must and also individual colors started coding, using the new codes, because we said might be better than the old codes. So, I would maybe just add in like a rule book
16:18:57 in the rule book that you know if we can, if we can use this method that you use the first two, three capital letters.
16:19:08 And for the code is the prefix.
16:19:09 Because then we will all get the deal, because we will not double create new codes that will have different labels and we will not be capable of properly, implementing the new code but at the same time as we begin coding.
16:19:24 So I don't know if we should just, or you would like to do it because that's kind of like your idea, go all across the code book, and just put in the prefixes so that when I start coding, I start building it correctly and everything slinking we don't
16:19:38 have to rewrite anything, you know, again.
16:19:50 So, yeah, that's that was just like the only question that came to my mind. This week, that maybe we haven't touched it's very minute technicality. Nothing really that important but it might just thinking you
16:19:56 know get the I. This is exactly what our plan is that, you know, every x code will have the prefix showing where it belongs in terms of why so it's easy to remember.
16:20:09 But technically, if you code. Remember, you assign only x codes, and they will be, the system will automatically aggregated to the next level of excellence, or wise.
16:20:25 But yeah, in order to make it easy to remember, we will do those prefixes and, yeah, that we started doing that already so that I guess maybe you've seen it already in some ways it's it's just takes time.
16:20:40 But, but the most important thing is, as much as you can use the existing codes from the spreadsheets. If you come up with a new code, then make please.
16:20:51 Sure, of course that we all know that there's a new code. So, because that's, that's a very important event in our work right the new code been produced.
16:21:05 We are just quickly realized
16:21:09 he raises up before.
16:21:11 I would really try not to create any new codes, at least for some time let's really try to. Absolutely. Test the code book, as you precise to develop the biggest, let's let's wait.
16:21:27 Everybody contributed but yes absolutely made let's try to do our best to stay within the code, the codes that we have. Yes.
16:21:38 Alberto.
16:21:41 Okay.
16:21:44 Most of the clap, to make sure that I understand what I'm supposed to be doing next.
16:21:53 But before I do that, I would like to warn you, against a cool Dean stuff that is not semantic.
16:22:08 Because if you do that, then you get a
16:22:15 somehow is sort of
16:22:19 multi layer network for money, meaning not all, not all the nodes in the graph are of the same species.
16:22:29 And then it becomes quite difficult to interpret the link.
16:22:34 When, when, in the original idea or nodes represent concepts. When we Yes, they are semantic very very good some meaning, and then elite is very easy to interpret because simply the Association of those two names.
16:22:55 If this is ok for you in terms of your you're happy to interpret the co workers between a problem and emotion. I'm referring to is the next chapter message here, then you don't need a prefixes.
16:23:14 If you are not happy to interpret the belief in a simple Association, when we enter into more complex the everything can be done, but in practice, it's, it's going to be a bit misleading for you to have a different links that can code, different types
16:23:37 of relationships between the codes, it becomes harder to eat.
16:23:45 Another thing you can do is you can create.
16:23:49 I didn't know that.
16:23:56 Yeah.
16:23:59 For example, in all the emotions, if I didn't know the emotions that children knows.
16:24:03 Again, that's not.
16:24:05 I don't know what that does for you not much because it gives us give you a sort of emotional temperature of the rest of the graph or depending on how thick, our edges between the metal know the emotions and, and the semantic nodes out there.
16:24:22 But in general, you can do we thought we could do do it with support you. But that will become a lot of bespoke so I this is going to be doing that in to live with Python scripts, etc.
16:24:33 And instead, what I'm hoping for in the next stage of the word is I will give you.
16:24:40 I will give you a training on gaffer either.
16:24:44 Justice we need an openness nog affair and then we, I think you find fantastic things and we suggest ways that you can develop the software etc, just by virtue of using it.
16:24:53 And that is the power in because you don't need me, you can just kind of go in and you only need the browser and you can adjust can make things appear that the webcams have the price of this syntactical simplification one type of note, meaning one type
16:25:09 of edge Association.
16:25:12 That was the first thing. Second thing, I understand that they need to do this competitive legalization between fully interview broken down interview and volume is going to send me to a to correct that really bad I just need a link.
16:25:30 Okay.
16:25:34 Another thing, young, I'm following up to your colleagues that are doing automated analysis of text. Now, consider maybe a sort of paper there.
16:25:48 In we should take the same corpus. And then the code to see is coded by you guys so professional is not their first event. It's also created by this group, and they will do some kind of value analysis of the topic modeling kind of theme later directly
16:26:10 analysis whatever they do. And then, which is the easy part. The difficult part is to sit down and and look at the results and try to learn something.
16:26:20 And my experience so far has been vetted it qualitative researchers, look at these topics, and they don't understand, because they don't make much sense I mean a topic in this sense Is it is it is a bag of 200 Awards, of which hundred 20 are where the
16:26:46 and whatever.
16:26:48 And then to ask the doctor lead maybe to justice and you Lucy court and to see law and you see judge, then some others are completely unexplainable just the, it's just an artifact of the statistics of coke items, so it will be whatever green and the car
16:27:06 and whatnot. And then somebody has to make a heroic assumption and stick a label on it.
16:27:12 And then we call it justice. But this is not the algorithm doing that that's somebody that is kind of.
16:27:20 You see, And so, I have a paper with a couple of colleagues from from Poland, I worked for was a university and from all those in Denmark, in which we are looking at this violin analysis with different methods, one of which is one, the one that you're
16:27:40 using. And the one of it was like more like big data, topic I was in particular, there was a group is very strong with this.
16:27:49 And our conclusion is that the data don't exist, which is called overrated by philosophy the philosophy of data with these Boolean Leon le and all these, these guys women actually this is the latest.
16:28:05 And that, in order to get to some results, you have to alternate algorithmic moves and interpretive moves all the time difference being, you guys are saying to interpretation.
16:28:15 And you are aware, as a professional have a need to be accountable to interpretation.
16:28:21 data scientists, not so much. And they sleep a lot of stuff under the rug, which means they are headed for massive epistemological guises in my idea, but maybe I'm wrong, but it could be interesting to to sit down and, you know, you could.
16:28:39 And then we kind of me gasps and come sunny TV and we saw the call to set those guys without the cause.
16:28:48 And then, you know, if they want to play ball we can we can plan a joint paper this would be a lot of fun.
16:28:55 And then I've been seeing with us.
16:28:57 just for everybody to think about this.
16:29:01 Nico is this too much to ask you to repeat what you told me about it. What was it, emergency ethnography is liking the Haiti.
16:29:16 Um, yeah it's a there's a kind of like methodological framework for.
16:29:31 I think it's called rapid response ethnography like on the ground is non graffiti in response to specific crises that produce rapid social change so for example the yeah the earthquake in Haiti, the flooding in Puerto Rico, I'm mostly familiar with it
16:29:43 in the context of response to kind of massive environmental events, but I don't see why the methodology of that can't be adopted for something like for breaking out and a huge refugee crisis arising basically overnight.
16:30:00 So in other words, if this can be done in a compact way, then Jaan was hinting at.
16:30:09 In fact, you can use explicitly claiming that the populism discourses into is intertwining with the Ukrainian prizes, think about, given the extension etc This can be done quickly and cheaply.
16:30:23 If you want to kind of do that. And maybe to be appreciated by the reviewers and gives a rapid response over prosaic, but kind of
16:30:36 some kind of examples of that and it sounds like I'm looking at the chat that I'm Elena knows what I'm talking about and how it's done so yeah
16:31:01 guys, very quickly.
16:30:59 Your call you, you are the archivist.
16:31:03 Let's make sure that we have the, the look I will click on chat right now just to save the version will at least it and then we have the recording. So, you will take care of it right.
16:31:19 Thank you, because you know I have a meeting.
16:31:29 That is started a minute ago with around the new chart on the finances. So now we've got all the, the, I guess, documents from from. I saw Alberto you guys send yours and all this so we will be now beginning to.
16:31:41 We have to write the amendment.
16:31:44 Again, my favorite activity, the grant revision.
16:31:48 Again, we are decided because of the war, we're going to ask them to keep the project going until the end of this year.
16:31:58 You know, we still have a lot of money to spend, so we will now review everything that we have there.
16:32:06 And.
16:32:08 Gosh, there was one more thing I wanted to share with you.
16:32:13 I don't know, but anyway, this, this.
16:32:18 Oh, they know that the SEC is proposals.
16:32:22 So I in the document that you guys send me your credit card info about what the document is, I, I talked to him last night.
16:32:35 Again, using my remaining authority as the former presidents and we have the informal extension.
16:32:44 I hate doing those things but, you know, the situation is desperate.
16:32:49 I but I have to do it today.
16:32:51 So today I will submit everything.
16:32:55 So we'll be done with it.
16:32:58 What's it since Great, thank you.
16:33:00 Young, if you could have 20 seconds for me, I wanted to ask one thing, exactly about the documents for the extension but after everybody's done
16:33:13 by take you have your hand up. Yeah, I just wanted to kind of reiterate what they said because there might be some misunderstanding, I wasn't proposing a suggesting that we put into the text something that is not there, just kind of like, extending certain
16:33:33 steps of information that are not presented in full, for example, that there was this pronoun.
16:33:41 We have seven cases so I don't know how to reflect it in English a day, which refer to all the people, which did not specifically defined in that particular fragment.
16:33:52 So what I suggest is is that we add those older people, even though they are not explicitly mentioned in the fragment, but they kind of our present there.
16:34:02 She says that they think will they believe. So therefore, yeah. Yeah, but we're not going to identify who they are, change the ontological nature of the code.
16:34:16 They are she's talking about some people believe in something and I just suggested that maybe we should put some specific group in there, since we already know what she's talking about.