15:25:22 express the kind of how much important code for a person is because they coming back to it.
15:25:29 So actually, like, Alberta, kind of,
15:25:34 like, Yeah, I don't know how to say it in English now confirmed what I was kind of thinking about, you know what, Derek, I would like to propose to Jaan and you all that one of these internal seminars, we do on this, so young and the richer than myself
15:25:55 and others have a deeper into pipeline.
15:26:00 Which explains how to reduce a network of codes, and.
15:26:03 And that was john smith contribution to do else on the interpretation of different ways to reduce the network so how do you interpret these edge weights, depending on how you how you build it and how you use it.
15:26:18 I think this would be a like an interesting piece of work to be shared and also it can raise the awareness that people doing the actual coding have of the way the way you code will influence the shape of a final network and so it's important to be aware
15:26:36 of that.
15:26:40 Yeah. And we can also gather from your comments then further ideas
15:26:49 on how to interpret what we see.
15:26:55 Okay, so that's that's very important.
15:26:59 That's so vital, that means that Richard, that's okay, what's done that, just, it needs to be cut into smaller units right. Yes, exactly. Yeah.
15:27:09 Okay.
15:27:14 So
15:27:17 basically they the decoding information needs to always go to
15:27:27 recharge your car and Vojtech right and that's those are the three sort of coders the leaders of coding at least so
15:27:45 sometimes coach tools, you know so right. Okay, so, you know, and I do sometimes so okay so we all okay well you know we will write it up. Anyway, those main things.
15:27:56 Is there anything else related to that, before we ask the etiquette to tell us about something else.
15:28:05 Okay. So,
15:28:12 I wonder if may be a better to didn't want to give a, I don't know how much, everyone is aware of this upcoming pebble impact conference so maybe Alberto could say a few sentences that I could say what is expected of us or maybe people know, I don't know,
15:28:31 so I don't talk, kind of, out of the blue.
15:28:36 Sure, well Nadia is written to basically everybody not just the world package to but also in the other word packages. And as the group is starting to prepare the impact conference so the thing that that is going to happen in that is mostly sessions, in
15:28:53 which we tear, some of you guys with people in civil society, and people outside of academia, so we we can we can kind of use this academic knowledge academically produced knowledge, for real war the actual so to speak.
15:29:10 That was what we promised to the commission. And so, this is a bit difficult in the case of work package to because there is, to my knowledge, almost no right that of the first result has been a lot of work behind the scenes, until until he actually
15:29:30 gave us some, some bullet points of initial findings which, by the way, absolutely fascinating.
15:29:38 So if you haven't received an email from Nadia as I believe you to request these, please look at it. Answer it.
15:29:46 And it comes down to, if you can venture some initial findings, this is, this is something that we can use to better engage the other civil society actors, some some kind of breach, that we can we can put in an email when we communicate with them.
15:30:06 Yeah, So I had a chat with Nadia. Earlier this week, and we were kind of talking about what is expected of us.
15:30:28 And I realized that obviously there's so much material and because of all the restructuring of the code book majority of the new material has not been quoted yet so obviously you know I've been doing the interview so I kind of have an idea so I went over
15:30:45 it, I can share with you the link of the PDF I have yours absolutely yeah it's sorry I just showed it in the chat so this was kind of my very very broad summary of some common patterns and things that I feel like are relevant.
15:30:59 And now, based on this, we were asked by Nadia to by the end of March, put together like a seven minute basic structure of what would what would we be presenting at the conference, plus some like two or three key burning questions that are emerging out
15:31:21 of the data that we would like to be discussing at the at the conference with all these different like actors and stakeholders and I think it would be quite helpful to know how much overlap and cooperation there shouldn't be within the different language
15:31:43 for if we imagine this to be like a separate thing on check which will be then run in check. In order to invite, you know, more broader scope of people or if the language is going to be just English and then this will of course limit, who we can invite
15:32:02 or you know what kind of to understand a bit better. The the format. In this sense, and also whether we are going to be kind of not responsible but whether it's also expected to have us to reach out to people and try to think about these civil society
15:32:27 that we would like to invite. And yeah i mean that's that's basically it. I understood that from Nadia that ethnographers would be kind of the main people presenting the things but I don't know I would also be fine not doing.
15:32:46 But whatever it's like whatever the format is either way by the end of March we should send it so maybe you're gone, and then yet we can meet separately and discuss things based on the check for have shut up now and then can talk some more.
15:33:07 That's wonderful. I, I'm sorry you know I am so overwhelmed with everything I'm kind of not able to do as much as I would like to every day.
15:33:20 So I haven't seen it but this really sounds absolutely fascinating and it will be extremely helpful.
15:33:26 So I will be studying this this weekend and you know next week I do not teach so I have a lot of hope, with I will catch up on the number of things but.
15:33:37 So I want you to know.
15:33:41 You know what I think I should realistically, focus on, because I tend to stretched too thin, and I want to be in everything it's impossible.
15:33:54 I have to. So, you know, so you get the sense, we have three types of stakeholders so audiences as we conceptualize it in the beginning, one is academic.
15:34:04 One is, policy makers and politicians and the third one is society, civil society.
15:34:14 So, this is all shaping up nicely because this at writers conference is concentrated clearly on civil society, we are working with the two other Consortium on a very serious event in Brussels for politicians.
15:34:33 So that will be taken care of in.
15:34:36 And there are a few other smaller things going on.
15:34:40 But that, because one of the criticisms that the reviewers gave us is that we don't have an overarching theory that would frame the whole project.
15:34:55 So I
15:34:58 for all kinds of reasons, took this upon myself, and I need to produce this this academic framework which will be then for the academic audience. I have to concentrate on that because this also produces certain problems within pop rebel because some people
15:35:19 know I'm not sure. You know, when we tell them start thinking to create convergences with other projects they, that one bit.
15:35:30 Maybe more but certainly this one is missing.
15:35:33 So, I will, I would take myself most likely out of this. Although I would love to, but I have to be realistic and concentrate for a while on generating this this frame.
15:35:48 You know, we also need to start thinking about a, the volume, I need to prepare the, the document for UCL press.
15:35:59 Richard has already produced. Really nice proposal for the fatigue volume. And we are proposing to UCL press two volumes one is fatigue one is pop rebel.
15:36:12 So, I will concentrate on that, I mean I have to be realistic but.
15:36:19 So, it would be wonderful and, you know, to get as many people as possible to work with, with Alberto an idea on that so I will send an email to everybody but I guess particularly.
15:36:35 It is, it is work package today, but certainly should not be only work package to
15:36:42 like on film little teaser.
15:36:45 Right, right.
15:36:46 When she thought she concentrated on on this but she's also having separate conversations with the East Lansing by law and you know. Okay, good. That's great.
15:36:57 Yeah. And I know she talks a lot with velo so yeah anyway so so everybody knows where we are, that's the that's the thing. And I honestly I worry a little bit, because, given the amount of time we've been on it, I worry a little bit about the number of
15:37:15 interviews we have, and you know the slowness of the recording but so let's see now that we have kind of done.
15:37:24 Let's see what we can do.
15:37:28 You know, again, we have those resources they are basis. I mean, we still sit on 1,100,000 roughly.
15:37:37 Some of it, and baby quite a considerable maybe half of it, even is committed, right. So, it is.
15:37:44 It is.
15:37:47 The result is that we have that money comes from the fact that we are delayed by copied and other things, but it is committed but we still sit on the quite a lot of money into two.
15:38:01 And now, so you know, this is very important. We are going to be doing the third the second
15:38:09 request for a amendment, because technically if we want to hire new people, this is the cleanest and clearly very strongly recommended if not required method.
15:38:26 As we learned from Aranda so we will be doing this request.
15:38:31 And now I am going to do. I mean, we are talking about it in other places of pop rebel but this this war is not only a complete horror and tragedy, but it also disrupted our work again, because there's the whole bunch of people, certainly in crackle who
15:38:50 simply dropped for a moment and started working with helping the Ukrainians so people are taking them home people who are driving them as you know there's this kind of massive mobilization in Poland.
15:39:02 The government, by the way, which fits into our project is just doing shit. It is it is absolutely dismal how either this those fucking right wing populist are already in administration.
15:39:14 So the people took over, really, it looks like that very clearly anyway so our, our people are in it to.
15:39:28 Remember, if we talked about it that we get were doing one more request for an extension that this idea came from some people, why don't we ask for. Yet, additional three months so the end of the project would be not September end of September, but end
15:39:46 of December.
15:39:44 So, I am so convinced that this is the way to go because of, you know, we were hit by the pandemic attempt by the war I mean this is completely crazy when you think about.
15:39:56 And you know, we are, we I mean, and I don't want to overdo it I mean we are not being bombed.
15:40:03 And luckily we with despite quite a few of us getting sick and having sick family members, and all the complications of covered, obviously but.
15:40:14 Knock on wood, it seems like we all survived, and I as far as I know, nobody has long covered in the project, despite of the fact that several people got sick, and I don't know, fully about the family members but I hope everybody's okay anyway.
15:40:33 We are, we are somehow intact.
15:40:39 But we are badly delayed, and for reasons that are pretty obvious so, so, so you know, given that we have resources, obviously we're not going to ask for new money, we cannot.
15:40:51 I will, we will be writing this extension proposal. With this in mind, I just want you to know all of this, but what it means practically for us is that if we think that we could now use this occasion to get even more interviews.
15:41:07 It is maybe feasible to hire more interviewers right you know why why do we have that money, I mean we're sitting on it, we think now that we you know it took a long time for all kinds of reasons but I think right now we have a tool that is going to be
15:41:25 pretty remarkable.
15:41:27 At least, you know, it looks like that we put an enormous amount of work on both sides.
15:41:34 Both, you know, Alberto and his team and the coders and reviewers and so on. I think that the code book is going to be very very solid.
15:41:44 And we have fantastic.
15:41:48 The ethnographers, but yeah we may need more right so if we would decide that we want to increase the number of interviews, the capacity that a minute need to have is limited.
15:42:08 Unless we will increase your hours for example so it's not right, technically One possibility is to give you more hours to, in order to give to be able to do more interviews or do and I know, certainly.
15:42:24 I know a lot about it because plans.
15:42:29 She may be the soon very busy. And so we may we may simply think about hiring someone and again.
15:42:37 You may know someone, you know like, like we got you guys.
15:42:44 It somehow. You can you about you right money, we got through an interview.
15:42:48 And anyway, we found great people, we may be lucky again and find more people.
15:42:56 That will be as good as these two on the German front so you know we have a bit of a problem because john is not doing well, he is still not well, and he is, he I know Richard is close in closer contact with him.
15:43:17 It looks like he will not be able to join us. And it looks like maybe by the end of April.
15:43:40 The doctors told him to really rest as much as possible.
15:43:32 So in the meantime we have one of our colleagues in. In, fatigue, the sub Sabina folk who is very energetic person but she is also a bit strange thing but she is now helping Richard, but most likely we will be hiring a new person to help, because now
15:43:52 we have quite a bit of imbalance mean we have much more material polish and check language communities, then in German.
15:44:04 So that's the situation, so please think about it and let me know very quickly what you think.
15:44:14 They that we will, we're slowly beginning to prepare those documents around our new administrators very, very efficient very organized, she she she helps us, the, the, a lot with all of this.
15:44:47 So, you know, we thought that was meant to be a problem when when Sylvia left and Sylvia was wonderful, but but around is, is, is as good as Sylvia is so we have the capacity to to quickly, I think, submit this request.
15:44:55 I will be talking informally, to your core.
15:44:59 Very soon I'm going to write an email to him today to give him a heads up about all of this.
15:45:07 But yeah, it would be good to know what you guys think is then you.
15:45:15 Yes, I'm fine with staying until the end of this year.
15:45:20 And I was thinking, or the last time that I'm, I really like to do interviews, but I really hate to do the transcripts.
15:45:27 So, it is.
15:45:47 mothers and children up for like from four h to up like so so I can do interviews I really liked it, but also my my time capacities are kind of restricted so I'm not sure if I can like, expand my, my devotion to the projects more maybe in summer.
15:46:06 The question is what will be the timeline, and if they're like to pick a focus if they're like specifics groups that we need to focus on.
15:46:16 I'm traveling to like almost quite a lot, because I'm teaching there. So, which is which is a Motorola which is fine, but I'm not going to like Ostrava that much, but it's not far.
15:46:27 So it depends on, like, what social groups we need to get and what topics and stuff, but I can do few interviews, definitely, if it will be more than.
15:46:40 Yeah, and someone for transcriptions definitely.
15:46:43 I'm writing it all down okay that's very that's very good very good that's very helpful to get very concrete kind of requests.
15:46:57 Because I think we may want to really do that again like so like one one or two interviews, a week.
15:47:00 That will be like in 10 weeks it will be like 20 interviews, three months. Yeah. So, the more Neil obviously the more material we have the stronger
15:47:14 the whole project becomes.
15:47:19 and on our side or sorry,
15:47:22 I wasn't gonna say anything like additional just to say that to hire someone to transcribe, you don't have to train them on anything, whereas hiring someone to do interviews, you have to explain them the whole everything basically so that's a good idea.
15:47:43 I think I'm in support of someone transcribing my life.
15:47:49 Absolutely.
15:47:50 Absolutely that's that's exactly what we need to know now, and it turns out, so you know technically that when we hired you you know mania Vojtech it.
15:48:06 We, we didn't do it properly. But this was a, we did, you know, Richard and I did what we were told, but it turns out that we will have to redo everything It doesn't mean that, you know, I will have to return the money say to UCL.
15:48:23 But we have to redo, you will see, we will get new forms to sign.
15:48:30 Okay, Alberto, and then Erica.
15:48:39 Alberto.
15:48:41 No. Okay.
15:48:43 Yeah.
15:48:45 I think that, first thing is that, getting someone from inside the team to do the interviews meetings they would be absolutely priceless because we could skip two months of explaining what the project is about what do we want to do with interviews, do
15:49:02 we need was the methodology, we see and we see we see why you kind of have the same name, etc.
15:49:07 And then, also, I was actually in the end, somehow with Amelia, I was handling the big can like call for applications inside the Czech Republic, that I can look back to that but just to repeat.
15:49:26 It was can like, in the end, we didn't really find suitable people with an exception of maybe one candidate that we interview with Richard only.
15:49:37 And this was beta i think she'll still doing her PhD so she's in Brock, and she did kind of like an interesting research but actually you've got some original application, even though I was kind of excited about it, like in the first round and then under
15:49:54 the table because we folder Emilia thought you will remain in England and she wanted someone on site, which then turned, not to be true so in the end we could hire Eva who will just coming back from England to the Czech Republic.
15:50:07 So it's think would have the time, I do personally fully support that solution or him just, you know, doing little bit more something different than more fun for him.
15:50:20 In terms of diversifying and securities purple purple I think, talking with people is great, I just like love it. Yeah, just sit there and talk with them and just like you've been talking to gay and lesbian men wade through here for fucking right wing
15:50:35 support this anti Vax people, you know, it can be quite intense as well but no it's it's it's fine it's good it's quite therapeutic somehow like I became way more tolerant of my many family members and just people in general.
15:50:55 So yeah, you're right a little, little thing about what you just said I think is extremely important. Like we can talk more about it because I'm but but I am very interested in this.
15:51:06 Psychological dimension of doing field work with people you hate.
15:51:11 Right, it's like, yes very anthropology would like to
15:51:18 introduce, but actually four or 400 metric, you know like, I was I was doing interviews, last year for demos, actually, lot of them but we're journalists and the politicians themselves.
15:51:44 So that was like slightly different and different methodologies and, like, honestly, I do nothing I would be as good as they are, if because I do not feel like I have the proper education and training and also I don't have the time, considering the time
15:51:47 and the transcriptions if it would happen that you would be interviewing the people in person, meaning you wouldn't be doing it on zoom that greatly enhances the capacity of the automatic transcription software's in check, because they get much better
15:52:02 audio in higher definition, and they're much much better in breathing the preliminary transcript, which again I can try to deliver with time quotes and everything that will be necessary but we don't actually need that for our purposes.
15:52:19 So that could reduce the time and investment into the people that will be doing the transcriptions in the end, because like with zoom. It can like compresses the audio, and the algorithm is not very good in dealing with that, in some cases, so I was sending
15:52:37 some sample transcript we can.
15:52:40 Yeah, I think it's like 75 some the five to 80%, which sounds good, but it's actually not that good.
15:52:54 In the end, when you have to correct the transcript and publish it somewhere. So that's just like a minor edition and we haven't, I haven't for free. You know, it's not as good at some of the commercial software's but I think it would work quite fine,
15:53:00 in that sense, we don't have the license for the transcript transcribe transcription software we had last year if I remember correctly.
15:53:10 So guys, make us a check team, could you please prepare a very short memo.
15:53:19 They collect all of this what you're saying and given, give me, send me as at least a preliminary kind of request that, given this and there's a justification I know but you know what what is it that you want, right, What is that we should put in the
15:53:37 budget, when we're doing the amendment.
15:53:40 We can buy software obviously if you want. And we can then then try to give us some ballpark figure for what it would take to hire someone to do transcriptions, you know, either you know someone who would just be in charge of it, whether they will use
15:53:58 the machine and then clean it up or whatever, it's up to them but the the job will be to make sure that there's an.
15:54:06 Well done clean transcript uploaded for the system.
15:54:11 the platform.
15:54:13 If I can just quickly follow up. I have a friend and colleague who's now working on another project that I came into touch with and she's transcribing interviews with Roma that are being collected by the government.
15:54:24 So she's kind of like very much used to handling the transcriptions and cleaning them up and she works on roughly. I will say, similar topics weekly which doesn't really matter but I might have someone who wouldn't be doing effect.
15:54:40 Well, most likely we will have to announce it and I interview three people about, you know, if we have some insight candidate.
15:54:50 You know how it works. Unfortunately, but yeah if this is person who has strong credentials, obviously, then, you know, wonderful. So something like that you could send me a note okay and I will say I will do the same Vojtech, we need to do the same thing
15:55:05 in Polish talk to my now, and produce the same thing, right like voting Are you there.
15:55:14 Yes, yes I am.
15:55:23 let's let's let's prepare something like that okay like the the check team is doing. And then I will convey all of this to recharge so we have, we do this for all three language, communities, Alberto
15:55:39 couple of things.
15:55:40 One, what, what did Jesus said, he just said jokingly but it should go into finally put it position ality statement for every for everybody. So just kind of keep top of that.
15:55:54 We haven't done it in the past it in our gratitude, very, very much. So I think it should be it should go go in there. Secondly, I would like also following the discussion that we had with yarn and Richard about that paper.
15:56:11 I would like to devote some time to writing a car us mixed methods, academic paper on the results, not not not just on the methodology, as we as we did already in 2021 2022 is the time to bring this methodology to to bear and and feed it data, and the
15:56:34 best Young's intuitions about how different methods, look at the data will surface answer, different questions which I find really exciting.
15:56:43 And so to the extent that we are sitting on a news these overseas, I would make it a case for
15:56:53 resourcing a part of the world which is not just the field but also the packaging. The reflection and the packaging of those results in publishable format.
15:57:06 We can even think of adding more than one in fact I mean this is going to be a very very rich study.
15:57:25 You are every everyday Alberto you're becoming more and more anthropological. That's, that's my goal yeah and the fact that I'm even thinking of the, you know, apply for him an equally and getting somebody to teach me anthropology in a more formalized
15:57:29 way.
15:57:30 Because I think this is yeah I think this is for me the way to go.
15:57:37 Okay, so thanks I think it is a very big compliment.
15:57:42 Yeah.
15:57:44 Great. So yeah, it's anyway, so that we should have maybe some separate meeting. It will be interesting about those things.
15:57:52 Okay, so I have I have written the down also and, but we will think about the paper Absolutely, and
15:58:04 it's called.
15:58:07 So just to quickly react to our better median money. Some weeks ago, we were discussing together that we would love to kind of write a paper like that.
15:58:19 reflecting on the methodology and you know, including some data in it so it's great that you have suggested as well and, yeah, it would be nice to plan this properly and allocate some time to do it, because I think, as you say, there are that I so rich
15:58:37 and we've been working on it so intensely that would be shame not to make a closed opportunity.
15:58:47 You know, so you know I mentioned it to you about, you know, because I have nothing else to do. I am also the guest editor of this special issue of with Nadia Paloma.
15:58:56 on the ethnography is of right wing groups. I'm taking this job. And they told me this you don't need to engage fully but it is going to be as much as I can see now eight articles, read it was very good for me to go quickly through them before they were
15:59:13 sent to the reviewers. I wrote my own comments on eight pieces with very very interesting range. But one of them so you know, for all of you this is really interesting so I am on the Francis pine who is one of the key anthropologists working on Eastern
15:59:34 Europe is my dear friend and when I'm in London I always stay with her and we've known each other like God knows for what 40 years. Anyway, I am on the doctoral committee on Francis's doctoral student at Goldsmiths in London.
15:59:53 aen the. She, she is contributing to those volume she's check.
16:00:00 And she became friends with. She embedded herself literally in a group of National Socialists, and it. This is an absolutely fascinating paper because it also she writes about those issues with how to relate to them.
16:00:21 But she goes to this what a few other that mark refers wrote about is that they, they, they become to like them some sense and therefore they have a tremendous ethical dilemma.
16:00:32 How can you like people whose views you find totally atrocious.
16:00:36 But they reveal themselves of course as human beings.
16:00:40 Some beds, which, however difficult it is to come to terms with.
16:00:45 But what what she for example with ethnography, you know I'm always looking for examples that the value added something that comes from ethnography, and she shows, and she shows it both in this article and in her dissertation, that they are not really
16:01:03 extreme nationalists in this Nazi combination national socialism. They are socialists much more than not nationalists, so that's really important for them.
16:01:17 And they actually have this view of, you know, the checks but they have this view that Germans are more superior, as a nation, because the checks are in their views generally are people who are good at working with their hands.
16:01:37 So, you know all those that that's the image that the checks are the nation of handicrafts or whatever, you know, making things, making stuff.
16:01:49 But and and they are looking to Germans for, I guess, in general, there's the people have ideas or something like that. But they, they're very ambivalent about it.
16:01:59 But the big thing for them is socialism and social justice and equality and all of this, which, you know, when you look
16:02:09 at the writings of the political scientists also the Czech political scientists on this group, they concentrate on the fact that they are extreme nationalists.
16:02:20 And, and, you know, it's like, without doing that field work you would not know that right oh you would not have this additional angle, at least.
16:02:31 So, I think we need to also play that right that we have accomplished at MOCA first and, yeah, whatever you will manage to produce beyond what will be published under the umbrella of this particular framework.
16:02:51 And you will do some additional stuff that will be fantastic.
16:02:58 Then you.
16:03:02 Yeah, I want to go cold go back to the thing that will that we should write something about how many I don't know like money we need, and so my question is like for for how long we look how many interviews we should kind of like do approximately, in what
16:03:17 amount of time. So if we kind of post. If they project will be prolonged until December, but the papers needs to be written, we need I didn't know how many three months at least for that we need to do some analysis on already coded materials so we need
16:03:33 to be coded at least like for one month's time to code, I don't know how many interviews. So what is kind of the deadline until when we should do the interviews and how many, then we can kind of guess on how many like how much money for transcriptions
16:03:49 and so when we need.
16:03:52 Why don't you think about it and then make some proposals.
16:04:04 Okay and then we'll, we'll see my thinking is that, but you know it doesn't need to be like that obviously that's my own thinking but I will be writing about it after the log.
16:04:11 I hope after the project is over right, it's like this moment I don't even have too much time. I mean I have to do some of it but you know the administration alone of the project of the whole public I'll take so much of my time that you know I am a little
16:04:25 bit short on time but. So, but if you're right it should be set up the way you want it to be set up, you know what what I'll be doing is a separate issue, but analysis.
16:04:39 Absolutely. But on the other hand, you know coding coding is going simultaneously. In the case of, of the Polish thing, you know, what I can speak for himself but you know of course he's slow down coding because we've spent so much time working on the
16:04:58 code but now he is picking up the pace and waiting right, you feel that you'll be able to catch up with money rather fast.
16:05:09 So, you know, that's coding is it, but you know maybe if you if you see some issues with coding and some delays I mean this is really the time to take stock of where we are.
16:05:22 Because the my understanding is, you know, once the code book is finished and it's almost finished then manga produces interviews white coats and we keep going.
16:05:34 Right.
16:05:35 And, but I would say, if we get that extension and I really don't see the reason why wouldn't we.
16:05:43 And if nothing else happens and people can turn back their attention to the project more.
16:05:50 I don't know, I am afraid that this color will get only worse, at least in the short time, with Ukraine.
16:05:59 But we have to plan.
16:06:02 I would say maybe.
16:06:04 Yeah, give roughly what you said like, let's assume collecting data until the end of September and then start concentrating more on the analysis is
16:06:18 That was the only like promised to the European Commission, or what it is you're working papers or the working papers and like the volumes and articles are outside bureaucratically, they only worry about deliverables, and the deliverables are roughly
16:06:38 on target, we may push some dates again we push them big time due to cover it.
16:06:46 And they accepted they actually suggested that we asked for extension so you know that's not the problem. I might I have committed a certain error in my head, and Alberta knows that, because I was assuming the deliverables are like drafts, that we have
16:07:03 a lot of drafts and then we started composing more serious publications out of it, it was a little bit. I was wrong, the deliverables are treated, at least from the point of view of the commission and it's reviewers more seriously.
16:07:15 Right, because we got like we got 11 deliverables back.
16:07:20 And then, like that, but it's also in itself, not such a bad process because people are reworking them and they're getting better. Already now, but I.
16:07:32 We will not squeeze this work into additional deliverables, if there is one big deliverable which is the final report of work package to.
16:07:44 all of this, because you know we want the, the results of our work here somehow also connect with the results of other groups, particularly in crack group and as I told you, they, they at the moment, which we have, by the way, everybody's invited to our
16:08:16 meetings on Mondays where we now have regular workshops, public rebel workshops at 1030, my time.
16:08:22 I have to be very careful because we are switching to summertime and Sunday but anyway.
16:08:27 It was 1530 in London, 1630 in Central Europe. in Europe, on the continent.
16:08:34 Every Monday, unless something happens. And so far we're going system at me we had to we had to we're going to have the third one this Monday.
16:08:44 So we talked about those things there also.
16:08:50 If I lost my train of thought but anyway something about asking for extensions, because of I know because of the connections to other work packages.
16:09:01 And that will take time. Now, longer than I thought. I mean, certainly, you know, I really see it will take into summer.
16:09:09 Before we have something much more coherent,
16:09:15 because I see and I see what what is coming out of people who are now completely distracted, we mean not much predictably.
16:09:27 So, you know, when I sometimes I just pinched myself when I think about all of this.
16:09:34 Here's this big project, you know, all those ideas and we are. We're ended up in pandemic and then do the war in Europe. I mean,
16:09:48 you know, my worry is also that nobody gives a shit about populism now.
16:09:55 Right.
16:09:58 Well, no one talks about autobahn for example or like, No, I don't know, like about Polish government is not talked in Czech Republic at all, or a bomb was dropped usually quite often, but now.
16:10:10 Not at all.
16:10:11 Of course.
16:10:14 So, so like back to my question. So let's say we were kind of like on planet until like end of September.
16:10:23 1 example propose it and then we can discuss it quickly I mean, yeah, it makes sense like finished interviewing and that have three months for analysis and nice producing first draft or something like that.
16:10:35 Absolutely. Your idea of like amount of interviews for every language is like 1500s, where are we in a. We have about seven D. Well, a bit under 70 between the two of you right now, like right now for the check for I just, I'm just.
16:11:04 Yeah, about that number. Oh, I'm only co that's wonderful. It's just that I didn't, there's like about 50 uploaded on the, on the platform, because I'm still a transcribing just takes me so much time so we easily will go over hundreds, if we go till September.
16:11:25 So, would you say, what would be the realistic number then we gave you our support
16:11:36 this. The problem is, I find that I found out that I was kind of asked to, you know, make some kind of summary. There's like so much interesting stuff because each interview is like an hour and a half and if you think about it when you do ethnography
16:11:52 which is like. Under normal circumstances quite different, because you're not looking for people in online spaces unless you're a digital photographer, but it just depends because how thick we want the data to be I think maybe at some point even maybe
16:12:10 having too much. It's gonna be makes things more difficult maybe for the and I don't know, I wonder, but this is really depends also if we are still doing the comparisons between countries then Germany for instance it seems that it kind of just went its
16:12:29 own way for various reasons, so I don't even know if this data will be comparable, you know, but, I mean, not to be pessimistic but just know I know what you mean.
16:12:42 Yeah. No, I think that the.
16:12:46 We will make, we will have something really special. This Polish check comparison right so that that is that seems to mean central is very solid and you know I recently wrote something that I had to review for it, because that's what the one of the reviewers
16:13:03 requested the method of parents comparison. So I have this literature lined up. So we have, I can easily write the justification for a comparative study multi dimensional comparative study of the check and bonus situation so that that will be fantastic.
16:13:41 The more we get out of Germany, of course, and you know the more we get out of the the fourth this cosmopolitan language community as a sort of a.
16:13:35 I don't know some kind of benchmark of sorts of something, the better. But, but I do think that the main action will be on this Polish tech comparison.
16:13:44 But if you have 70 so you can get, we can easily say we'll have 100.
16:13:49 Right.
16:13:51 More.
16:13:53 Yep, is to share with you this, this paper would be great because in the paper. You know, we there are four methods of reduction but one of them clearly will we remember even Alberta where we're fixing this bit of the text it kind of the more interviews
16:14:16 produces the growth of one of the measures, obviously, that the frequency itself has some value of repetition of a certain themes. So there is this idea of a saturation sample right in the discourse analysis that once the topics start repeating themselves.
16:14:33 You do not, you say, Okay, I got it more or less right. But in our case because one of those measures depends on frequency, it would not.
16:14:45 The more the better. I mean, yeah, it is you know like the. When is the end of it it's not clear but I wouldn't worry about the fact that things begin to repeat themselves, it is an information about something important, in itself, we take, we have what
16:15:02 we have like 40 in Polish now less than that, at least on the platform that I like, said he created users respondents turning it on my main room for like 30 people.
16:15:18 30 threads.
16:15:28 While cried and then like place there you go.
16:15:30 Yeah, as far as I know from money. I think she's also.
16:15:36 She's doing the transcriptions and about usually so I think she transcribes quite a few and. And then, you know, uploads like several of them was me I kind of, when I transcribed by I put it up so maybe it's just the cheap, you know she's she's, she's
16:15:53 delayed with the transcribing yes he is that we, as we know, so I'm assuming we may be around 50 or more already.
16:16:02 I really don't have a voice like do you have a sense of what we have roughly in the German community doesn't.
16:16:10 Yeah, so yeah I think so I think whatever these groups that were these group in group interviews this kind of retired, and I talked about it he said that he has a bit in those after the event that they organized Yes, which is still another method of generating
16:16:27 texts so we have to be careful about that too.
16:16:32 Yeah, so if we will have no another
16:16:38 six months of interviews in German if I have time to go to Germany.
16:16:44 I have done already with like children and mothers and stuff in German. So I can do it also in German I think
16:16:53 I'm you interviews.
16:16:59 But you know the biggest thing is, but we realized that
16:17:06 you guys can you are willing and want to keep going with interviews I don't know like we have I'm assuming the mania is the same mindset.
16:17:16 And, but you need some help and the Help is with very concrete things which means transcription so we'll take it off your back so you concentrate on on interviewing alone, and that's that's a great idea.
16:17:30 Is there anything else.
16:17:33 I have to slowly run to another meeting.
16:17:38 There might be an issue with anonymity though, if we end up having other people, or maybe actually not sorry, ignore me that can be avoided. And, um, yeah before we wrap up, so just quickly, or better if you confirm with me that by the end of March.
16:17:59 You just want the seven minutes structure more or less of what would be the hour like presentation and then some of the three burning questions and so maybe I will email, send an email to Eric and then yet, and we put meet separately and maybe discuss
16:18:17 some ideas based on the PDF I sent or any other insights, you will have and we can also write up this plan for young for the budget and stuff.
16:18:38 That would be great to any remaining question or exchange of deadlines, etc. Nadia is your woman.
16:18:43 Okay.
16:18:45 Okay.
16:18:46 They Nick and maybe if you have like anything like content wise to this will discuss it I have something different.
16:18:52 Well, but I have something different.
16:18:55 But I have something different. Okay, so I know there will be a fatigue conference in Prague, on the first and second of April, and Richard told me somehow that I should he will be there are young, you are supposed to have a paper there.
16:19:08 Are you going to be there physically Mike Brown.
16:19:23 No online. Fortunately, we can meet, or I can meet with Richard, personally, but the other guys probably if you want to meet also with Richard on the first and second, or second Saturday.
16:19:25 And Friday first, so that's possibly. Unfortunately for all kinds of reasons, because I really regret it because my heart belongs to Prague, I don't know if some of you may know my mom was born in Prague so it's a very special place for me but when I
16:19:41 love being there but it's just too complicated also because of the teaching duties, which, you know, I have to tell you about it because I have like in three weeks after practice, there's a big conference on right wing populist at University of Florida.
16:19:59 And I prioritize that after a bit of thinking.
16:20:05 Because I will be presenting the whole pop rebel, and fatigue project so I thought this is more important because it will give us exposure to the there's a lot of kind of big, big and bigger names in populism studies coming to the contract so anyway,
16:20:21 that was the main reason that I decided to just I will deliver the keynote which I have to, but that will be that theoretical frame that I have the whole next week to to write, I mean to prepare the presentation.
16:20:36 Okay. You
16:20:42 know, you are muted, I knew, I knew, give me a chance to say the sacred words, you're muted. Sorry. You're right.
16:20:53 My told me that we should write this little bit for the budget increase request.
16:21:02 And I just wanted to ask if I include the possible extension until the end of the year, and that text if it wouldn't be a problem because that would give us a really solid argument to ask for more money.
16:21:19 No, no, absolutely. It's time. It's time to I mean, really, you know I keep asking it it's a little bit awkward. You know I keep telling people we have money, and I'm asking them propose something and I, not too many people come back you know some people
16:21:33 say there we are okay even, you know so yeah that's that's that's incredible you have such content project team you no one wants money you know it's great
16:21:44 scientists, I would like to give us the money. Okay. And just just the second thing I was asked by Martin to chair sort of like an open panel at the Prague populism conference where we will have like demos, people coming over and taking the whole ground.
16:22:03 And I have no people in the penalty at and if there will be not enough volunteers and like lift over presentations.
16:22:29 I will try to maybe squeeze in one slot for someone from pop rebel to present something from comparable online or in person if that would be open interest because I carrying the pedal so I will not be carrying myself talking about, well, it's, I think
16:22:30 that it's in May, early May, so there's still some time and I will I will be updated on what's the situation will depend on, I already basically asked him if we could do like a little bit there as well.
16:22:41 Okay, that would be wonderful. Absolutely. You know, one, one more thing and I honestly am sorry I should have talked about it earlier I just often forget things that to inform, everybody in my 30s networks about everything, but the deadline for Aziz
16:23:05 I, you know, as a former president I maybe can ask for even a bit of an extension, but the deadline was already extended because, surprisingly, they were not a lot of I mean not not the volume of applications was lower, for some reason, that everybody
16:23:24 in Pittsburgh expected.
16:23:27 So the deadline now is the 15th, so it's pretty tight, but whatever four days right.
16:23:34 But I'm pretty sure I could squeeze in something a few days later, maybe we would like to do that, I mean the the conference is in Chicago.
16:23:46 Needless to say, a very attractive place.
16:23:49 The, the blues and jazz clubs, or perhaps the best in the world.
16:24:01 As you may know, and I visited quite a few of them and my various trips to Chicago, it's quite an experience. The food is great, and the cities, of course, very special in many ways and so let's take take place physically or, as in you or I wanted, I
16:24:12 want to go to New Orleans, really last year, and it was I did it online.
16:24:28 I made, I made the decision. I actually took took Martha with me and we had a blast. I mean, yeah, well we couldn't travel to us. At the time, the land us was closed from everyone else.
16:24:31 So, it will, it will take place physically this time, it will be in 99% almost 100, it will be a hybrid again and hybrid is because some people will boom still may not want to travel.
16:24:47 Also, the idea of, you know, people people became for example related to environmental issues and lowering the carbon footprint.
16:24:59 So they, some people simply say want to reduce their travel by air. And, anyway.
16:25:11 it will be a hybrid.
16:25:10 But maybe think about it. I mean, you know, we could proper proposed may be more than one.
16:25:17 I mean, this is not a good idea to have one project as one panel.
16:25:23 It is not a good idea I did it once or twice like I took my graduate students and we did the panel and it's like we basically talked to her so you want to mix things up and it's may be too late for that but but still if we would, there's something to
16:25:39 think about it, even showcasing the work package to, you know everything we do with it writers is in itself worthwhile, because it is very special. You know, we develop did the panel on the web package six.
16:26:03 Whatever it was, in San Francisco, right in 2019.
16:26:07 It was extremely successful on foresight scenarios. The room was packed.
16:26:14 There was some former analyst for the American government who is an expert on foresight scenarios, he was very complimentary and was great.
16:26:29 Had a set of great comments. So, you know, that that actually goes against what I said I mean sometimes you can showcase something and, but we would then, you know, the idea was the Vela the renovated validated this way.
16:26:51 He invited three commentators like pretty respected scholars, whom he knew, through his networks, asked them to come and he presented the work package that's four sites scenarios, and they commented and then there was an open discussion.
16:27:01 So that could work.
16:27:05 But I have no bandwidth, honest, to think about it so if somebody wants to do that please let me know. But I cannot take the lead on that I, after all those years of making this mistake thinking that I can do everything I'm beginning to also under the
16:27:23 impact of my wife who begins to think that I am.
16:27:27 I lost my mind.
16:27:30 And, and I decided to start thinking about
16:27:37 the limitations, mostly of time, extremely, but yeah, you cannot stretch the day doesn't work.
16:27:46 This I don't know how to do that.
16:27:50 I personally think that ACS will be great. So my favorite conference, of course, ever. And so be cool. No, I would. Anyway guys like you've got there, and also, we take, if you will have any idea I'm ready to help with a write up a proposal, according
16:28:09 to the rules that I guess are already on the website and way so we can. Yeah.
16:28:15 And, yeah, but I don't know I can I can I can signal to the organizers that we need some maybe just a few days I mean, you know, because it's a bit tight.
16:28:27 The 15th, but the you know the, I talked to the general director of the association. A few days ago.
16:28:34 Because we talked about Ukraine and what needs to be done, you know in various I mean coordination is the key thing because so many people anyway.
16:28:43 We talked and she mentioned that she may be extending the deadline one more time.
16:28:51 I mean, Monday, Tuesday, I'll be I'll be ready to start doing things but I'm not until Sunday, I think. Unfortunately, when is the conference, it's it's it's November I don't remember the dates, you can check quickly on online.
16:29:07 I was checking the website of IR is es.org, and there is no information about the conference, or I can see it.
16:29:19 No, you have to go to assays 22, and you just got it.
16:29:28 2022 annual convention Aziz octo virtual convention, October 1314, and in person, November 10 through the 13th,
16:29:44 and the Palmer house.
16:29:48 We oh I, I wrote only two E's not one, so I found a different Association.
16:29:54 As three E's, and as Eastern European and duration.
16:30:03 And the tape. The theme is security.
16:30:08 They are the panel, not need to reflect the theme but I mean that kind of helps a little bit and that's the apartment house is fantastic. This is one of those old Chicago hotels that I've.
16:30:22 The European Studies Association used to have meetings there for many years, so it's a cool place right in the center of downtown Chicago so anyway.
16:30:39 Okay, so that would be cool, you know, again the model was what I just described to you.
16:30:46 It kind of justified itself. We could maybe find some, you know, Alberto if we would decide to do that. A, maybe you have some. Well, we need some people who will want to travel to Chicago perhaps but you know someone who would give us an external angle
16:31:10 on that, what we're doing, because that was fellows model. Right.
16:31:16 But it was you know a little bit it was like you know the friendly invitation, and they were
16:31:24 very positive, but it wasn't just the pop rebel people talking about themselves.
16:31:34 Well, you won't be more qualified than me for that, it has to be said that we are including the newly that's not fair. We're almost done. So next week we're going to make the final decision.
16:31:46 And there's plenty of Congress all united states and.
16:31:52 Whoops, we live stream.
16:31:58 Really. Yeah, we lost you for a moment.
16:31:59 I'm saying, Why you know five more people than than I do, so that the invitations. I mean, I'm not really plugged into that scene. But in, meanwhile, we've been running a recruitment process for various replacement.
16:32:17 And many of the candidates are indeed America. So some of those guys would be interested in.
16:32:24 In what we are talking about here. And so at least those guys I can try and reach out. Okay.
16:32:33 I'm ok so my, my action is to find out a little bit more about the deadline right but then I'm leaving this with you to figure out what if we want to do the panel, but I will send you the information as soon as I know about, you know, what is the real
16:32:54 deadline. Right.
16:32:56 But we have to do.
16:33:00 Okay, I actually have to now I still have few minutes but I guess it's enough it's enough it's 10 1033.
16:33:10 Okay, so we have a transcript of the meeting, I have notes.
16:33:16 So you guys have, like, one thing is to prepare the little write up about what you need. Particularly, someone to do transcription and I guess roughly because it says how much it would cost at least a preliminary number and second thing about the panel,
16:33:34 and
16:33:37 I voted disappeared, but I'm going to catch up with him so we will repeat, we will do the same thing from the Polish community. And I will tell recharge about everything we said so.
16:33:48 We can try to help him with the German thing community.
16:33:54 Young would you send the link share with us the link for the Monday seminars, because I'm not.
16:34:00 I will go to attend.
16:34:05 Yes, I will remain as fun. Yeah, I know, I asked around that to make sure that every member of pub rebel gets those announcements because the attendance was much weaker than I expected, but I will make yeah I would write to her now.