A "solar and frugal" Reef?

As we are nearing the end of the avant-projet and playing with @Lee’s wonderful simulator, I wanted to submit two ideas. I am aware that one of them would be a reopening of a decision already made, and I am not pushing it at all. I do want to see how it lands, though, in the light of how the discussion is evolving – with particular reference to the plenary of 2025-04-26.

So, two ideas. You could in principle have either, or both, they are not mutually dependent, not mutually exclusive. If combined, they would give rise to a solar and frugal Reef.

The frugal Reef

Easy: sell the Reef zone as a unit, increasing the number of sellable m2 by 66. This brings the Casco price down to 3,368 x m2, equivalent to 2,783 hTVA.

Additionally, we save another ~39K on finishings of the common spaces. The imaginary unit in the Private unit tab of the simulator goes from 448,186 down to 434,776, a saving of 3%.

The Solar Reef

This is based on the willingness to invest in energy sustainability by many full members in the plenary.

Drop solar panels and batteries from the budget, but create an energy community – call it Torpedo.

I have done some calculations that go like this: at current prices, The Reef should consume about 120,000 KWh per year (this is based on a quick research and not on the very dodgy numbers from WALK). We produce part of that on our roof, and Torpedo sells it to us. Based on this article, the benefits are substantial: we would pay only 11 cents per KWh bought from Torpedo (vs. 33.5 cents from utility companies). ON top of that, Torpedo would get 8 cents per KWh (feed-in tariff), instead of zero.

I extrapolated to the entire Reef (1) the costs of the 51 solar panel + batteries and the 50% self-sufficiency calculated by WALK for Obelix. The result is that going full solar would generate feed-in tariffs of about 12K EUR per year, plus savings of about 13K per year. Buying all those batteries and panels would cost about 180K. All this is modular: you can do it only on one building, only on two, with or without batteries etc.

In all cases, the sum of savings and feed-in tariffs offset the cost of the investment in about 7 years. So:

  1. We would all be members of Torpedo, and all buy some of our electricity from it.
  2. People with some extra money can decide to put it into going solar. People on a budget can decide to not do that. It’s super flexible. Everybody is still contributing just by buying the energy from Torpedo.
  3. We would pay to Torpedo a normal price, topping up the 11 cents per KWh of the energy communities tariff up to the market price (currently 33.5 cents). So we pay the same as we would pay to Engie, BUT the money goes to pay back the investment made by those of us who fronted the money.
  4. After 7 years, the investment is paid back, and we start to make a profit.
  5. None of this concerns the Reef’s budget, which actually goes slightly down (no solar panels, and even more if we decide to allocate the roof of Asterix to more solar).

Here’s a version of the solar, frugal Reef based on Lee’s spreadsheet. I added a tab with some back-of-the-envelope calculations about our consumption of electricity and the economics of Torpedo.

Ping @coral-board for now.

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I think it’s a great idea.

I personally would go for the second idea for now, and keep the first one as a plan B if we don’t get the left over units sold by the time we want to build.

I would also keep the 40 000 budget now in budget because

I do have some question / considerations

  • i don’t get when you say: we would pay only 11 cents per KWh bought from Torpedo. On top of that Torpedo would get 8 cents per KWh (feed-in tariff). Can you explain what this feed-in tariff means?

  • Who would pay for maintenance? The investors?

  • Say at the end of the construction, we don’t use up the 10%, maybe all people would still want to invest in this, and so it could still be come just part of the common budget, and questions like ‘who pays maintenance…’ don’t need to be answered.

  • how/when do you see the commitment to do this of the investors? As we don’t need the solar panels for our peb, we could say: we wait till the construction is done and then we decide (after knowing the exact expenses we had for the unit) how much we still can invest in PVT/batteries, with the risk - in worse case scenario - that all of a sudden you have a lot less investors. Or you could do it sooner, and have it installed at the time of the casco construction.

To summarize, great idea and it will leave us the time to get the info we need before we have to decide what/how much PVT’s/where /batteries or not, as it is not impacting the common budget.

Thanks a lot @alberto.

On the solar PV the question that matters to me is whether and how we incorporate this in the avant-projet’s budget.

@joannes @els and @Sarah would you possibly be available for a short helping circle chat this Friday at 10:30 am? I figure it won’t be possible to gather everyone, so my hope is that we can make some progress during the meeting with those who can be there, and work out the rest online? Does that work?

i can make it on friday

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The following is AI generated, but I checked the source.

a feed-in tariff (FiT) is a policy mechanism designed to promote investment in renewable energy by offering energy producers a guaranteed payment for every kilowatt-hour (kWh) of electricity they generate and feed into the grid.

Specifically for energy communities:

  • A feed-in tariff ensures that members who produce renewable electricity (for example, through solar panels or wind turbines) receive a fixed price per kWh for the energy they contribute to the local grid or share within the community.
  • This payment is typically higher than the wholesale market price for electricity, providing a stable, predictable income that makes investing in renewable technologies more attractive.
  • It often comes with a long-term contract, such as 15 to 20 years, to further reduce financial uncertainty for small producers and communities.

Torpedo, with its revenue.

The action point is to engage with the (free) consulting services in Brussels to further explore the economics of an energy community. Do this probably in Fall 2025.

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Update: after a quick chat yesterday evening, the conclusion was that we are waiting for Joannes to receive more information, so the meeting of this Friday is cancelled.

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Sorry, didn’t see your message in time, and also I wasn’t available…
But anyway, I feel a bit at a lose with this topic actually… And I’m not sure I can input much…
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Thanks @alberto for the work and idea, option B definetly sounds like something to explore (although at this point I definetly don’t really understand it…)

A question: does that mean that what we pay for electricity will fluctuate with the general electricity market price for the first 7 years? Or we would decide on the amount we top up to, and set it to a fix value?

Also does it mean that overall we would be paying more for our electricity than in the original plan? If I have understood it well, in that earlier version 25% of our bills would disapear right (about 25% self-sufficiency)?