🗨 Status Report II: What's Up With You?

I agree with this.

But here’s where I think you’re jumping to conclusions. I don’t think this is necessarily true.

Rather, I think it’s like this: Even if we are all swiftly vaccinated we will not get the virus under control. We can’t control it. At best we can slow it down, we can keep people from getting as sick as they would otherwise be when they inevitably get the damn thing. We should, and we have. But as the last few weeks have shown: A highly contagious but often mild virus will always eventually circumvent vaccines through mutation. And people are right to ask themselves - how long are we going to keep acting as if we could completely eradicate this thing?

I think we’re wise to put out the fires as they arise (with vaccines, medications and some well thought through public health measures), but we are really just waiting for the virus to run its course and become yet another endemic coronavirus (like the four others that already have been for at least a few hundred years). Evolutionary pressure on the virus will mean that the most successful version of this thing will be the variant that spreads as fast as possible with minimal damage to the host. Once a variant arises that has a low enough mortality rate (perhaps one similar to influenza), we will all have to say “alright, we will have to live with this” and then go on to offer seasonal vaccines to the sick and vulnerable. There is some growing evidence that Omicron might be a step towards that. Let’s see.

Finally, another great quote from Paul Kingsnorth on control.

I feel some strange glimmer of hope. Control: this is the story that the Machine tells about itself, and it is the story that we would all, at some level, like to be true. But control systems never last. The world is beyond both our understanding and our control, and so, in the end, are people. We barely understand ourselves. Perhaps Klaus Schwab’s desire to ‘improve the world’ is real and felt: but he will still never be able to grip it tightly enough to bend it to his will. Who can?

The world is not a mechanism: it is a mystery, one that we participate in daily. When we try to redesign it like a global CEO, or explain it like an essayist, we are going to fail: weakly or gloriously, but fail we shall. The Machine, the technium, the metaverse: whatever we name our 21st century Babel, and however overwhelming it seems to us in the moment, it can never conquer in the end, because it is a manifestation of human will and not the will of God. If you don’t believe in the will of God, call it the law of nature instead: either way, it speaks the same thing to us. It says, gently or firmly: you are not in charge.

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Only came across Kingsnorth recently, honestly felt several magnitudes saner after.

I’m in the camp of being far less concerned about the disease - omicron seems sufficiently mild in clinical outcomes that the evolutionary direction is playing out - more concerned on the direction of societal travel playing out from the disease.

The whole thing that fecks me off is the de facto ‘vaccine-only’ strategy. Not a fan of singular solutions to complex problems to begin with. If I’m super-charitable I view it as neoliberalism cannot understand public health, only individual treatments.

A whole range of basic public health principles have been thrown to the wind for a quite frankly oversold in efficacy magic bullet hightech solution. The opportunity cost versus multiple cheap interventions is absolutely nuts.

My 2c is its pharma taking a rentier position, more than anything based on good public health practice. This is then exacerbated by the public health damage done by the lockdowns themselves.

The Rhetoric of ‘but the hospitals will collapse’ while not adding any real additional public health capacity just doesn’t scan for me.

Anyway here’s my current ‘feck it, what can I do about it’ concept proposal:

https://community.coopcreds.com/t/use-case-carebnb/157?u=thom

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I’ve a lot of sympathy for the approach outlined above - I’d basically consider it necessary but not sufficient. There are many strands, and fraying any thread is helpful.

However, I’m not exactly a card-carrying rationalist - my main intellectual imprint is psycho analytic, or worse…

Theories do not die from argumentation, but from the die-off of their proponents, unfortunately. I forget the reference, probably Kuhn? But the ‘refute specific point’ tends towards ‘additional bulwark position’ in the rhetorical cascadia.

Tldr I don’t think rationality or logos are Where We Are At. On a micro level I’m too lost to a peripheral artistic and cultural vibe for that personally haha - and the main Vibes atm in a more macro sense seem to be a: fear b: anger.

So any ‘cogito ergo’ I’d unfortunately view as waaaay downstream from Damasios Error or whatever.

So, pathos, maybe?

To return rational, my issues on a public health basis are everything so downstream, so reactive - generals eternally fighting the last War, majors become colonels, just ‘juke the stats’. Its equivalent to chlorine-washing industrial chicken, rather than not letting animals get sick

So I don’t think you deal with the problem within its own Narrative - my personal Feels is disambiguation and ‘going wide’ has better adjacent futures.

There are a number of X-risks make C19 look like a sneeze, even if I stay strictly within immunological risk?

I mean, Albertos Monastery has a probable method for Plague - you close the doors to the Abbey, good chance you can wait it out. The Assembly probably is fairly resilient - lots of outdoor activities, less cluster risk from decentralization to begin with.

Hygge idk, sounds vulnerable to me.

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Ha. I had not heard that name in a while. Thanks for the recommendation, and also to @thom_stewart and @andersS for their reflections.

He disappeared for quite some time. Then he re-emerged with this essay about six months ago:

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Oh, indeed. In fact, this reminds me that in April 2020 we held a small online event we called a “Community listening post”, where we discussed the role of the Internet in pandemic life. One of the results was:

Kingsnorth’s position can be wrong (as can my own!), but it sure is reasonable. If anything, I marvel at the docility with which I myself grumblingly accepted to have to show my ID to go to a restaurant, or a gym.

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Hm, this video apparently got removed because it ‘violates community guidelines’… Just how controversial was it?

I have no idea about this video in particular, I didn’t watch it. However, basically anything that doesn’t tow the party line of the American CDC can get taken down. One example was this video which got taken down for the same reasons - violating community guidelines.

This is very problematic, since the expert government agencies of other countries reach other conclusions, which are determined by the US social media companies to be “fake news”.

Centralization is so last century

Cool read, Thom! Good to hear from you, and I wish that were the case…
I also like your framing: ‘what can I do about it’… I think it’s the only way to stay sane, even if most of us can’t really do much but find some cocoons.

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Pretty sure the overall levels of learned helplessness - taught helplessness(?) - have gone up markedly lately.

I guess I’m reminded a lot of one of the earliest ‘conspiracy theories’ I came across in the mid 90s, that the purpose of said is to spread a feeling of powerlessness in the population.

Notwithstanding any talk of reality, this still hits me now and then.

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Heh I was weaned on Philip k Dick so the Lash didn’t seem too ‘woo’ at all - but then I went (enjoyably) down the rabbit hole of his other lectures, including where the dude starts Yelling expletives calling out the Dalai Lama for Insufficient Dakini-khandroma, and I’m genuinely not on enough layers of alchemical practice to be able to tell anymore.

:slight_smile:

So thanks for the recommendation - particularly enjoyed the points on gratitude, found that very pertinent in context. Similarly the points on self-sovereignty vs rights discourse.

The more ‘ethnofash’ blood-and-soil content in Lash idk, your mileage may vary - but I will say that with recent events, I’m not sure if I’ve parted company with the Left, but they have certainly parted from me.

Circling back, looking at All And Everything in recent events at the level of myth - whether wendigo, archonic, or otherwise - does seem Good to Think With, and certainly better than any other frames I’ve got to hand?

Have you guys seen “Line goes up”? I find it one of the best explanations around technological trends… well, ever. It also meshes well with my own take of the blockchain as sociopathic innovation, which I finally matured in 2021 after a long contemplation and some personal experimentation.

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Yep! Really enjoyed the essay, and it’s been great seeing the video blow up

I’m pretty close to the ‘intrinsically evil’ position - to rant archonic, I became relatively convinced a few year back at a poetic level than Chainers were victims of a They Live/Rokos Basilisk-type mind virus attack, with a probable aim of developing a computational system to house a Cthuloid/Elder God AI. Very brain parasite.

As always, it would be comforting if this were to be true, rather than the default position of greed and stupidity.

On the carbon point, I pay very slight attention to klima, an olympus ponzicoin that aims for locking carbon - because I can conceivably see a valid use - but even purportedly ethical chain-stuff smells ‘useful idiot’ to me?

Whatev about the carbon/energy technical, the allocation of brainpower, much as with financialization prior, is what makes me cry at night.

‘Evil until proven otherwise, with a high burden of proof’ is my moderate position, rather than ‘intrinsically evil’. That’s where I’m at.

Very little interest in what signals the ants appear to be saying, steadily building concern as to the projected shape and function of the Hive-structure they appear to be building. Which links to some of our apparent concerns re the variants of the ‘new-new-new normals’ lately.

Best explanation for crypto yet!

Carbon coins are a legitimate idea. In Kim Stanley Robinson’s The Ministry for the Future, he imagines a coalition of the main central banks (Bank of China, the Fed, the ECB and the Swiss) issuing a carbon coin on the blockchain, tradable very long term, interest-bearing bonds on tons of carbon sequestered. The idea is that if you sequester carbon now, the central banks will give you ironclad money in 2100 or so. The “ironclad” means the secondary market is secure.

Later, Robinson mused that today he would not put that “on the blockchain”, but simply charge the Apocalypse consortium of central banks with keeping a ledger, a secure database. I made a cheatsheet for Ministry in the runup to a book club discussion we had, you can find it here.

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TheyLive/Rokos as a hypothesis would explain a lot!

Seems predictive and parsimonious, plus That Blockchain Stare, etc…

“Homo roekonomicus?”

Klima - as with most ‘eco1!1’ Chainers - is still too close to extractive ponzi financialization for my tastes - filed under ‘evil burden of proof’ - but otoh whether backed or implemented by a central legacy institutions or metacoop/DAO, at least its a real problem, and a real asset, versus ‘couldn’t this meeting have been an email’ and ‘solution in search of a problem’, aka ‘why not a nice old database? Or perhaps a file drawer?’

Ahoy folks!

This just caught my eye.

@alberto - would do you have the link handy for that at all?

I know there is a bunch of interest related to Central Bank Digital Currencies (CBDCs), and I had dismissed the blockchain part as a poorly understood plot device, but is be curious if KSR had elaborated some more.

He introduces “Piketty” as a verb in another book, 2150, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he had been watching some of the experiments like the ones below in Switzerland, and similar moves in China

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Yes. It’s in the author’s response to the Crooked Timber Seminar on Ministry. Money quote:

In the list of mistakes I’ve become aware of making in Ministry , using the word blockchain is prominent. I should have said “encrypted digital money,” or even just “digital encryption.”

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Happy birthday @alberto !!

Thanks, my friend. We both concluded another turn around the sun recently. :slight_smile:

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I am mentioned by name in this NYT book review about “The Quiet Before: on the Unexpected Origins of Radical Ideas” in which there is a chapter devoted to The WELL and the origins of online community and social networking, in which I am also featured. The link below is to a condensed version of that chapter. Only about a third of it is gratis, the rest is behind a paywall. Of course one could go ahead and buy the book…

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