Following up on an idea from @els and @Sarah to re-design unit O8, I insisted with François and asked him to provide us with a sketch.
The results can be found in Team Building > Plans > Variante plans 02052025: Login – Nextcloud
The redesign in summary:
The expensive 3BR unit at the third floor of Obelix (118 m²) becomes a 97 m² 2BR.
My father’s studio (O9) becomes a very big 1BR of 80 m².
There is one studio left in Asterix (A2), 51 m², facing Idefix. This would become my father’s unit.
The remaining 3 Oak Tree studios are converted in a duplex 3BR of 135 m² (with access to the garden), which would be 75k cheaper than the O8 of the original design.
Governance-wise, the decision about the plans (15/01) and the choice of the units (25/01) was a level 3-4 decision, meaning that we don’t allow ourselves to change this decision on a whim.
If we want to do things by the book, the first question to ask would therefore be whether there is 50% majority who is willing to open this decision. Given that we are still in a stage where there are no negative consequences, I am hopeful that this would pass.
If this would be the case, then the questions to ask the round would be the following:
Which design do we prefer?
Are there any Reeflings who wish to change their choice of unit?
The first question we can solve with a quick selection process, the second with a regular round.
If there would be people who would like to change their choice, we will need to set a deadline though, because it is really urgent that we can communicate about which are the units that are actually still free. Given there is a presentation on the 18th of May, maybe we can go for a deadline of 15-16 May? Let’s discuss that tomorrow.
@Sarah, following up to the question you asked during the plenary, on whether it is possible to shift 5 m² from O8 to O9, the architects replied that this isn’t possible. The maximum they can shift is 2,5 m², but they don’t recommend it.
following what was said during last coordination meeting, I would like to again ask in next weeks’ architects meeting if we cannot convert the newly created 3 bedroom in a 2 bedroom and 2 studio’s, even though they previously said that by converting the 3 BR on the top floor of obelix, we needed to recreate a 3 BR somewhere else.
we notice that it’s difficult to attract families/to sell the 3 BR apartments, and we still have 4 3-BR now to sell.
currently we have 21 units, and the proportion of 1 BR-studios / 2BR / 3-4 BR is 7 / 7 / 7.
in the past the architects said that we don’t need to exactly follow the proportion of 1/3 - 1/3 - 1/3, it should be more or less this proportion . Converting a 3 BR would change the proportion into 8 / 8 / 6. I don’t get why now they say we do need to exactly follow the 1/3 - 1/3 - 1/3 proportion.
the group will follow this change, and no FM will want to change units.
First negative is extra work for the architects: weighing, plans + details (but layout of 2 br can be the same of the one on the 2nd floor of Obelix). To check with them if that would endanger the introduction of the permit before the end of June.
Second negative: the risk that after introducing the permit, the region/commune will say we need to have an extra 3 BR, which might lead to a longer ‘permit approval’, but maybe that is something than can still be checked with them beforehand?
Third negative: some inclarity towards the exploring/associate members (but if i am not wrong, no one is interested in the duplex 3 bedroom for now)
=> I don’t think we have anything to loose in asking the question, but if you would object me asking, let me know before Monday 02/06
btw i’ve started to add agenda points for next weeks meeting with the architects (Login – Nextcloud)
I believe we asked this question. I seem to remember that a condition for converting O8 into a 2 BR was that we needed a 3 BR elsewhere. But ok, we can ask again. (I personally strongly dislike changing requests about the plans every two weeks though, especially so long after they are supposed to be final. This is not how I like to work together with the architects)
If there would be a risk that it endangers the permit, or that it would take more time (second negative in Els’ list), it’s a no-go for me.
What will happen to my father’s unit in case the units in Asterix become 2 BRs?
I do too, but the architects give contradictory answers (or they seem to be contradictory to me). And maybe i would like to just understand what this contradiction is about (maybe i misunderstood certain things).
We don’t ask to change for the sake of changing. We are learning things now that we assumed differently before. And I think it’s in their interest as well, I assume that it will have an impact on them too if we cannot sell all our 3 bedrooms by the time we have received the permit. So preferably I would like somebody to explain what the situation is right now, what we conclude, what we tried, what the result is, so they understand the why behind it (and i might not be the right person for that)
I can live with that
I wouldn’t propose to make 2 extra 2 bedrooms in Asterix, but to create a 2 bedroom on first floor of Asterix, and have 2 studio’s on ground floor of Asterix, to keep a more or less balanced proportion of units: 8 / 8 /6 and not 7 /9/6, and so your father would still have a studio on the ground floor of Asterix, maybe the shape/size will be a bit different
A1 being the smallest studio of the two studios, 41 m2 brut, more or less 35 m2 net.
Can you check with him, or do you want me to do it, so it’s 100% clear for @reef-recruitment which unit will be left over.
