@reeflings : here is a return on our meeting with the architects we had on June 3rd. If you have any feedback, please reply on this post.
Goal of the meeting:
getting more info/clarity on the info we need to pass to them from ‘The Program’ round 3,
getting more info/clarity on the common spaces
getting more clarity on the next steps
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Common spaces: How do they see our common spaces/what they propose as m2 for our common spaces, based on our results of the ‘common spaces survey’ (internal link: Login – Nextcloud)
** Multipurpose room and kitchen: 100 m2 net and laundry room 12 m2 on the ground level =>112 m x 1,2 = 135 m2
** Mezzanine (which can be closed off):
*** They suggest it to be a multipurpose room= living room (15m2) + guest room and shower (6m2). We could increase the m2 of the mezzanine to 25 to 30 m2 but not more, as the ceilings aren’t that high. (we asked the question as we didn’t see the mixed usage of living room and guest room as an ideal solution)
*** A mezzanine doesn’t come for free: it would be 750 euro/m2. 21 m2 would mean 15.750 euro extra (more or less 750 euro per unit extra. I guess this is without fees/taxes…)
*** the ceilings wouldn’t be that high. In l’Echappée the ground floor is 205 cm high and the mezzanine is 190 cm high. We could higher the height of the ground floor of Obelix, to be more comfortable but they say in L’Echappée it works well, as the rest of the space is high and airy people don’t feel crushed.
*** To give an idea how it could look like (pictures and section of the mezzanine from l’Echappée): Login – Nextcloud
** Workshop
*** 20 m2
*** they wonder if we would be ok to have it at the -1 level , this is the cheapest
*** we would need to see how many m2 of private cellars we need
*** they would need to see if they can increase the m2 of -1 surface (depends on shape that needs to stay logic)
*** would come at an extra cost of 34800 fees and taxes included (27000 fees and taxes excluded) -
Common spaces: bike shed
** legal obligation: 1 bike per room but they propose to maintain the rule 1 bike per person (= number of rooms +1, and add a margin) => there is no check on this number per unit, it’s a global figure for the whole project that needs to respect the legal obligation
** going for the minimum would not be a good idea, as it’s linked to the limited number of parking spaces foreseen on the plans. If we would go low, they might not except 5 parkings spaces
** adding extra bikes under Idefix, is possible. For now there are about 10 foreseen, and extra 6-7 could be possible
** once they have all the data of the program (units + common spaces) they will see how/where else they could store bikes to safe inside m2 of common space
** brutopia: the bike places are common to all units. Every once in a while they reevaluate how many bike spaces are needed per unit and at that point everyone gets x number of bike spaces assigned. -
Common spaces: process to define common spaces in Brutopia
** we asked for how they decided on the common spaces in Brutopia => there were no common spaces foreseen in the beginning as they didn’t think they would be able to afford it, so they were added later. -
Dividing the 1905 m2 in units and commons spaces / choosing your unit
** Variation of the price
*** How will they decide which are the cheaper and more expensive units? they will define about 10 criteria, that each have a certain weight. Not all criteria have the same weight. Some of the criteria will be: sun, light, acces to the garden, vue, noise,… (light, sun having a big weight).
*** Once these criteria are defined, they will be discussed with Team Building
*** They indicated that - in general- the higher you go, the more expensive it gets. The front building (Obelix) is best situated on the level on light/sun so will probably be more expensive. On the other hand, the middle building will be more quiet than the frond building and will have a nicer view, but that said, the street is not so noisy … (so not straightforward to communicatie about this high level)
*** because of the weight of the 10 criteria, we will get a wide variation of prices. Probably every apartment will have a different price/m2. And this price/m2 will only be known towards the end of 2024.
*** if price is an important factor for you: mention it when filling in the Program (round 3), e.g. my absolute maximum is x euro casco price.
** The choice of your unit
*** One of the next steps the architects will do is divide the 1905 m2 of surface we have in units and common spaces. Two factors will play when doing this: the geometrie of the site/buildings/superposition and what we’ve communicated based on the third round of the Program. They will only take into account the data of the full members.
*** We will have as an output: a building divided in apartments, and a price per m2 for each of these apartments. There will be no names on the apartments. It will then be up to us the discuss who will take what apartment, (taking into account the priority defined: reeflings joined sooner having a priority over reeflings joining later). As said before, this exercise will happen probably towards the end of this year/beginning of next year. -
Next steps
1 Third round of Le program + common spaces => without this they cannot continue
2 At the same time: getting a geometer/surveyor to get the exact measurements of the site/neighbouring buildings…
3 soil tests : penetration level,… to determine the foundations,… (not that urgent)
4 define/sign contract between us and the architects => they will send us a proposition next week that we can read/discuss and there will be a session foreseen with them to answer our questions
5 phase of the sketch/design => access needed to the site. In this phase work several meetings will be organised
6 once we come to an agreement of the progam: presentation to the commune (division in units, common spaces, cellars, allready some proposals on materials used, ideas for the facade, terraces,…)
7 ‘bureaus d’études’ (for the stability, foundations), PEB, acoustique,…
8 estimation of the constructions costs
9 meeting with l’urbanisme
10 weighing of the prices => the goal is to have this delivered by the end of the year
11 choice of the units by the first group (= currrent full members), than the newly joined fully members
12 introduction of the permit (estimated to be done towards the end of Q1 2025