Open ethno data: towards a new Masters of Network?

Ah ah! This is an extremely interesting topic. Comparing different networks in quest for similarities or distinctive properties (for each of them) is a question that often pops up – colleagues investigating human trafficking networks are looking at that same issue to figure out whether different network operate based on the same “logic” (see here and here e.g.).

There are several questions hidden in there, some of which relate to the way people interact and reply to one another, and how topics develop; and others on how content is annotated.

I am definitely in for a hackathon. Is there a way we could have such an event although we would not be able to get altogether in a same room. Couldn’t we have a virtual get together between groups located in Bx, Brussels, X, Y, Z, etc. (and rather meet in a Zoom or Google meet room)?

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I think this would be possible, but not an equilibrium.

In my experience of hackathons, the actual work is anyway done with everyone looking at their screen. The motivation for devoting 8 hours solid on a Saturday comes from the fact that people are getting together physically, and hanging out during extended breaks. It takes a very disciplined person indeed to do that on Zoom.

When they are not participating in hackathons, hackers are, well, hacking. All tools are asynchronous and very efficient, interaction is minimal, but there is very little control on what any open source project will get done, and by when.

It would be quite an achievement to redesign the hackathon format so that it can be faster, more social and more interactive than normal open source projects, while still maintaining some of the efficiency of the latter. I imagine such a hackathon lasting 4-5 days, with frequent team check-ins and quite a visible, coherent leadership so that participants can enjoy the feeling of knowing why they are doing what they are doing.

Would it be an option to address it to BOTH ethno-anthro and compsci people? @melancon, @amelia, @akmunk, @jan: would you be open to experiment with something like this?

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Still interested, just as @brenoust and @bpinaud I guess. Reserving 4-5 days in a row (although not full days) might be more problematic. Designing the hackathon, so participants commit to do tasks and deliverables might be a solution. I understand this somehow throws away the spontaneity we appreciate in such gatherings … but just for once …


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Reviving this topic in 2021.

What happened: we thought we would do this as a part of MozFest 2021 – happens in Amsterdam, and the city of Amsterdam is a partner in NGI. To everyone’s surprise, MozFest turned us down. So now we are back to the drawing board.

Today we had a meeting of the NGI Forward research task force, and we decided:

  1. Interdisciplinary, in the MoN tradition: ethno/anthro people on one side, datasci people on the other. EDGE to target more the anthro crowd; we could even involve @amelia’s students at OII, or ask the UCL crowd. DeLab to connect us to the datasci crowd, @krystof and @Michal have their own course in datasci.
  2. Hackathon to be online, not physical. Also, to be spread over several days (one week? two?)
  3. Kickoff in late March/early April

Next steps:

  1. Format design (with @hugi, @amelia, @nadia and whoever wants).
  2. Putting up a minisite (deadline: end of February). This contains the info for participants, including links to datasets; facilities for signups and team formation, etc.
  3. Outreach and communication (everybody).


I want to link this to the new RyderEx endpoints - two birds one stone. That makes all of our ethnographic data available while also opening up the scope to working on technical experiments that can inform future design of the stack itself.

@amelia, @nadia, @alberto - I propose we have a session to align and get started soon. I propose Tuesday, February 9th.


Second that.

I would also love to involve somehow @melancon, @brenoust and @bpinaud. The Masters ride again!


Hi all, thanks for keeping me in the loop. I still tickle with research and data/code – I just finished implementing a sci-kit SVM model this morning (!)

February 9, I can only do 4:30pm or later. I guess Benjamin can only do even later after his workday. I do not know about Bruno.



Alright, I propose 16:30 on February 9th then.

@amelia, @alberto, works?


Should work!

can you send an event invitation?

Once everyone confirms the time, yes.


Sorry! Confirmed,



  • April
  • Secound data set from DLab

What to analyse and why?

  • 2 layers: Organisation + Hackathon tracks.
    • Hackathon Tracks are there to give people and idea: Usual format: You can either join or propose a track. Only requirement is you do a projects that is going to be represented around a graph. EX: “I want to form a team around ‘Can we see weather the view of technology is more dystopian or utopian?’” You just have to have a question, and then use the methodology to move from here to there.


  • We need to define summaries of what the conversations are about, broadly.
  • We need to have people propose tracks.
  • We need to prepare the data.
  • We need to facilitate and connect people and groups running up to the hackathon.
  • We need to support people with specialised expertise to solve issues.
  • We need to facilitate the hackathon.

Hackathon Facilitation:

Internal Research Question:

  • How should the “service for academic research" GraphRyder look like? (RezNet)

Wednesday kickoff event (April 28th) and Friday for final presentation (April 30th) instead?

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Of course you are right. Had not adjusted that. Edited now :slight_smile:

The synchronous timeslots are rather uncomfortable for @johncoate timezone wise, so it would in fact probably be good if @Leonie or so could maybe take on a bit of the moderation/hosting role as @amelia suggested if you find you need that.

Also, Maria will be in her maternity leave then. What is it I am being signed up for? My NGI contract this year is very small in terms of hours (about 40 minutes per weekday), so please factor that in.

MCing Day 1, essentially.

I would say this takes precedence.