Plenary meeting 16 December 2024

Hello @reeflings,

We’re having a plenary meeting tomorrow.

The draft agenda consists of the following items:

  • ASBL accounts 2024: GA approval

  • Pricing of the units: shared understanding + exploration

  • Plans for the -1 level: consent

  • Abattement: clarification

Especially for the item on the pricing of the units, I believe it would be of great help if you could have a look at Alberto’s post in advance, and possibly also at the plans and the architects table. If the latter looks overwhelming: focus on the name of the unit (first column), and then on the price without the options (penultimate column), and its ranking in the price fork (last column, multiply by 100 and read it as a percentage)

It’s at my place, and it would be wonderful if we could start at 19:30 sharp.

Link to the agenda: Login – Nextcloud

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@reef-full, for the sake of completeness: this plenary will also be noted down as a GA of the ASBL, because we have a legal obligation to approve the accounts for 2023 (last year - so nothing new) for our tax return. More information see Closed accounts 2023, tax return 2023 and GA to approve them

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Change of plans for the unit pricing topic: the aim is to decide on this by consensus. See Weighing the price of the units - #21 by alberto

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@reeflings: another change of plans. The meeting will take place at Alberto’s. More information in the emergency chat. Once more apologies for the inconvenience.

@reeflings
Minutes are available!

@reef-full : please object within 48h to the decision on the validation of 2023 accounts if you don’t agree

@Sophie_B @Odile @Dave_behave @els : we need your consensus to validate the weighing method. Please post it below if you agree or let us know if we need to reconvene about the decision.

@reef-governance : also let us know if you think this procedure doesn’t work!

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I give consensus for the weighing method

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@reef-full , @Lee

I have read the minutes of the PM and see no ‘next steps’.

Once we have consensus on the weighing of the price (which i assume we will have), does TB launch another survey of ‘choice of units’, or do we want to wait till we have consented to a proposal of the price of the options?

For me, there is still the possibility to move to another slightly different version of the plans, but that depends on the choices of the full members/what they can/cannot afford. This might lead to a more suitable unit for Marcel (which has now an expensive studio, being situated at +3 of obelix).

I personally would go for launching it now…

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About that, @reef-building: in Le Programme I requested a studio and 1-bedroom next to each other. François told me that it looks like I3 (marked as 1 bedroom in the plan) is actually too small for 1 bedroom, and would be a big studio. That leaves only I1 and I2 (also not great: the 1 bedroom is a lot bigger than what I put in Le Programme).

So I need to separate my units. Can I claim A3 and leave I2 to Oak Tree? This way, I would also choose O1 and have my units not side by side, but at least facing each other. For Oak Tree, the surface is the same (but: private garden). For me, I would renounce the entrée couverte in A3 and increase its surface (should be 8-10 m2), so there would be a small benefit for the budget.

  • when asking to convert the 110 m2 2 bedroom into a studio and 1 bedroom , they said it was possible to have a 1 bedroom of 66 m2 and a studio (with actual size). They would make the platfrom of the left part of Level 1 of idefix bigger without making the reefzone bigger. I don’t get they didn’t mention that (will check with them tomorrow)

The way I understood it, the price increase because of the entrée couverte (to reduce the m2 for oaktree) would be for them to pay (by raising the weighing factor e.g.). We allways said that reeflings have priority over oaktree, so I would say you could claim it (but this might mean oaktree will be out).

  • going back to the plans of the maxi version (for level 0 idefix), isn’t a solution neither for you? The total surface is a bit smaller in here i see (so little price increaseà?
    Screenshot 2024-12-17 185502

Thanks for this. I will think and revert.

I agree to the weighing method and want to thank the team for their work on this.

Talked to the architects about the possibilities of having a studio and 1 bedroom next to each other:

  • they will have a look at turning the 60m2 studio (level 1 idefix) in a bigger one bedroom

  • what i mentioned about reverting to what was mentionned on the plans of the maxi version for the ground floor of idefix: they don’t think it’s a good idea (structuraly)

Remark: this week is their last week of the year, after that they will be taken 2 weeks holiday. They were not sure they would be able to give feedback before their holiday

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I agree to the weighing method and also want to thank the team for all their work on this.