Seda Event Notes fishbowl 2

If we want to shape the common sense five or ten years from now what will be considered relevant?

What will general principles about what we consider good or bad look like or work in practice?

What is something you are struggling with? What is out there to make our own biases less visible to the algorithms?

How can we get emotionally engaged into the ai discussion? What do you want to push against? Where are injustices related coming out of this?

We are not into gaming the system but more protecting. Like with pokemon, it only used to show in whiter neighborhoods, because of the ingress game which it was founded on, which was only used by early adopters. But people gamed it with gaming their GPS etc. But that shouldn’t be the solution. Things are more effective if they belong to you. And now they don’t

I read about this game where you run a zoo, and everybody tried to podify the game, but they always had a few pigs in their zoo they couldn’t sell.

in terms of mobilization and justice, perception of the actions and reactions of justice. We’ve seen the same thing playing out in different places for different reasons. Obvious injustice - the link between the situation and the AI land where this is scaled up. What happens when it scales up?

Why are we putting the wellbeing of people behind proprietary systems?

If actors say they need algorithms: why?

What are the reasons people are unable to act upon algorithmic issues in society?

Where is the space in which humans can have agency?

We are trying to understand new systems and optimization of their functions. What happens when the system causes externalities? optimization systems make population wide decisions. Giving a bunch of signals - example of uber (feedback loops, to maximize their profits). The app sensing cars - getting you out of the traffic. Caused problems in smaller streets. The app wasn’t able to change the algorithm, the municipality can’t do anything. The citizens install roadblocks as a solution. Can we build systems to help people against optimization systems. POTs. Facebook matching people to the advertisers - people are subjected to data getting to them regardless of how they interact on the platform. Agency is very limited because it’s about the whole infrastructure.

workers at amazon wanted to a strike, but amazon knew and got 200 extra people, so they could continue., After that they created another warehouse, so it couldn’t be disrupted.

There are going to be local wins for a bit, but it will take a bit for a larger win.

The most of the work in the AI is the migration and race. We shouldn’t go just the labor way. The migrants are getting organized but they don’t have labor unions.

We have a lot of things like roads with are public, you can’t make a private road and make it public. But for some reason, we don’t have the same idea about data, and why not?

Why are we buying into these systems and who hold the power?