Great!!
Hi all 
I’ve prepared a summary of the selection process and have saved it in our folder (internal link).
Feel free to have a look and comment. Otherwise, I guess Chris or Lie might use it in the gov doc and we review it all at once…
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Hello @reef-governance,
In an ideal world I would have liked to consult you on the Powerpoints for tonight’s training, but unfortunately I did not find the time for it. The one on Governance provides a short introduction to sociocracy and decision-making in The Reef, and the one Working Methods is based on the text of the Onboarding Manual.
All feedback is welcome of course.
My wish would be that in the medium / long term somebody else will take over this training course, but for the moment I’m happy to take this one.
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Looks good Lie!
Slide 4 on main principles looks pretty dense. Perhaps it would be good to do it briefly at the beginning, highlighting equivalence and effectiveness, and then return to it again at the end, when some of the other things on the chart will make a bit more sense.
Will there be any exercises or breakout groups? Or do you think that presenting the all the info on the slides will take up enough time in itself?
My aim tonight is to take notes and be more involved in the training moving forward… 
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That slide is quite useless IMHO. I included it more for people who want to scroll through the Powerpoint at home. Other than that I just see it as a visual to convey the message “equivalence and effectiveness”.
I have not found a way to make this somewhat interactive other than pausing every once and a while for a round of Q&A.
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Hi @reef-governance
Long time no see…
I thought we would have a meeting once the governance doc was reviewed, but we are doing that online instead.
So I am wondering whether we still need to organise one?
Here are the main things I see in our backlog:
- voting on sites ( @Sophie_B will you have time to work on this now? Let us know if we need to redistribute the task )
- team reviews : @ChrisM - anything you would need to discuss?
- selection of the different bodies (société simple, ASBL board? ), starting to look for our Sages: could wait but we could also start thinking about it
- selection of negociators team: starting to be a bit more pressing now I think
I am thinking it would be nice to have a meeting in January, even just a short one to touch base. What do you think?
Happy to hear we don"t need to, I think we could also just appoint a helping circle for the negociators team, and see later for the rest.
Just let me know your thoughts!
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Hey @Sarah, indeed it’s been on my list for some time now (after I eagerly took if over from sb else…). I am flying out tomorrow so won’t be working on it until next year. Could do it in January, unless somebody else has some time beforehand.
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Nothing to discuss for this… making a post on it in the near future.
Happy to meet in January if there’s a need…
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@reef-governance : Here is a poll to try and find a date for a meeting!
The aim is to meet before the 11/01 so that we can finalise the governance document.
- Tuesday 19th
- Tuesday 26
- Wednesday 27
- Thursday 28
- Friday 29
- Tuesday 2nd
- Thursday 4th
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I just need to check a few dates with someone tomorrow, then I’ll be ready to fill in the poll…
Hi @reef-governance !
Following today’s meeting, here are the tasks that we picked up (I added them to our backlog):
- Voting on sites: clarify approach with regards to personnal preferences and subjective criteria
- Working methods:
- Respecting deadlines
- Plan – Do – Measure
- Four-eye principle
- Teams set-up:
- do the consent process to joining a team only when the personn becomes a full member
- “zombie teams” and fast teams remix ( Regularly assess are we enough or too many for this team? If we’re too many in a team, disperse the team and re-assigne people)
- Teams’ work appreciation rounds, and generally how to work in more appreciation
- How to deal with the lack of workforce for some teams (team inclusion, team external relations)
Here is what I would propose: the helping circle for voting on site reconvenes and makes a proposal for clarification, and then we meet as a team to discuss the final version of the manual, and the most pressing things above (I think we could keep the meeting very short).
So @ChrisM @Sophie_B can you fill in the poll below? And can the last one to fill in ping me on signal?
- Tuesday 13/02
- Saturday 24/02 am
- Saturday 24/02 pm
- Saturday 24/02 evening
- Sunday 25/02 pm
- Sunday 25/02 evening
- Tuesday 27/02
- Wednesday 28/02
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When we have a date, I’ll do a poll for a team meeting
Cheers!
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Ha sorry, I thought the dates were for a Team G & WM meeting.
For the voting manual I’m afraid we don’t have so much time any more. Let me know if you need help to finalise it?
Also: the teams set-up thingy I’d like to get out of the way as soon as possible. I can write a short post to explain my point, and then we can see how we can take it from there.
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The first vote on buying a site is likely to be in 6 weeks, but it would be good if we can have the manual all sorted by the next plenary, which, if we have the feasibility studies in, should be the beginning of the 3-week countdown to that…
@Sarah and @Sophie_B - I’ve put 13/2 down for the meeting on that. I am actually available on some of the other dates, but as that’s the earliest one and we all seem to be free, we may as well go for that…
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Ok, 13/2 it is then!
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@Sarah and @ChrisM can we make it 7.30pm? Will work on the manual today and upload something (finally…).
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All good for me
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The proposal (with a lot of text in yellow) has been uploaded and the Nextcloud calendar updated - see you tomorrow ping @ChrisM and @Sarah
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Hello @reef-governance
Following up from yesterday, we have to make a proposal for the statutes on the voting threshold at the GA.
Talking to chris about this, we figure that it makes most sense to use our notary’s experience and trust his expertise. So we would suggest to keep the 80% and adjust our governance documents.
Which would imply preparing a post asking FM for written process on amending our governance document (which I would do)
Does that seem like a plan to you? Or do you see things differently?
I am torn between not wanting to spend time on something that seems relatively minor, and wanting to spend time on it, because it’s maybe not that minor either.
Part of where I am coming from is that I did not have the best experience with these statutes: they had several inconsistencies on points that matter, one of which was in breach with the law.
The difference I see between 75% and 80% is that in the former you protect the group against difficult people, and in the latter you protect people from the group not respecting their needs.
In our group I worry much more about the former. One scenario could be one where the households who joined at the very latest develop a grudge against the households who were there from the start. If a decision only needs a “no” from 25%, it becomes more difficult to block the entire group.
Putting a higher threshold on the other hand entails a bigger risk of getting stuck when a decision is needed.
As a first step I would like to clarify with Mark which threshold they used in Brutopia and in l’Echappée. It’s just a number, so we should have until the 6th before we need to decide on this.
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