Next Thursday the Economic Science Fiction reading group will meet for the first time, and everyone is welcome. Here is how to enjoy it to its fullest.
###When
Thursday, July 26th at 18.00 CEST sharp
Where and how (physical)
The Reef, Rue Pierre Decoster 75, Brussels. Ring both bells.
Where (online)
If you are not in Brussels but you still want to participate, we will be welcoming you online at Launch Meeting - Zoom
Zoom requires download of the Zoom app. Please allow a couple of minutes to download the app before joining.
To save bandwidth, we will be streaming the meeting in audio only. Remote participants will have two ways to participate: via the chat in the Zoom app, and by speaking to the room. An MC in Brussels will be watching the chat. When you want to speak, say so in the chat and the MC will give you the floor. We appreciate it if you speak from a reasonably quiet room, wearing headphones and, ideally, a headset.
What we will talk about
We will discuss the economy in Cory Doctorowâs Walkaway and the kind of society it supports. We are especially interested in answering questions such as:
Is the walkaway economy a good fit for the walkaway society? Why?
Do you think the walkaway economy (in-world) was consciously designed by walkaways? Did it emerge?
Would you see yourself living in this kind of economy? Would you like to? Why?
Do you think an economy like the walkaway economy could sustain itself in the real world? In which conditions?
Can you think of real-world arrangements that remind you of the walkaway economy?
Preparation (+ cheatsheet)
Ideally, read Walkaway! Not only does it contain fantastic world building, with a super-interesting economy; it is also a highly enjoyable piece of SF, with lovable characters.
If you do not have the time for that, you can just read the first two chapters. Chapter 1 contains the main critique to our present economy; Chapter 2 presents how the economy works in walkaway. If you can only read one chapter, read Chapter 2.
If you do not have time even for that, read my long post on the economics of Walkaway. It contains quotes from the text and what I think is a valid economic interpretation for them. Doctorow agrees with my analysis.
Additional reading
If you finished Walkaway and you feel energized to sink your teeth into the economics, you can read the following:
sounds great, and sorry I canât join you⌠please warn in advance about plot spoilers because I got caught up in another book (Neal Stephensonâs latest co-written effort, The Rise and Fall of D.O.D.O.), but plan to get back to the Doctorow soon. (Why did he have to start with that long name of names, I wonder!?! He is such a fun writerâŚ)
thanks! @alberto!
Really wanted to tune in, but looks like it may not be possible. Hope thereâll be some record though?
Really appreciated your posts @alberto. As some subquestions to your penultimate question, I guess Iâm interested in:
The possibility, for a given individual, of limited, graduated participation in a walkaway-like society and economy.
For instance, what does it mean for a walkaway to be embedded in kinship networks with non-walkaways? Is this society feasible if its population are shaped by a mixture of normative influences, walkaway and non-walkaway?
Likewise abundance or postscarcity sometimes feel like quite âall or nothingâ concepts. Is it necessarily so? Can you have abundance and scarcity side by side?
Thinking a bit more about âinteraction protocols,â both those within the novel, and those that arenât in the novel but could well have been!
Is the walkaway utopianism incompatible with state power, or could we imagine a more statist version?
For those who havenât read the whole novel, what are the vulnerabilities, risks, unexpected side effects that the novel imagines? Are there side effects that the novel doesnât anticipate?
Would we expect any kind of cyclicality in such an economy?
In regard to the last question, I guess it would be great to think about links with platform co-operativism, but Iâll try to think of a more concrete example.
Hope that makes sense, Iâm melting on a train and not even sure who I am any more
Hi @jolwalton, we have recorded it and probably make it available in the next days.
Unfortunately we prioritised some questions from those attending, but looking forward to continue the conversation. Everyone seems fascinated by the book so it will go onâŚ
@jolwalton, these are great questions. They were missed in the group!
In the book there are quite a few not-quite-Walkaway communities. Some are introduced through the story of Jimmy in chapter 4. They are all peripheral. One is older people, for example:
âTheyâd found a way to stay still, on defaultâs periphery, without making much fuss. They kept their heads down, kept to themselves. They were walkaways because there was nothing for them in defaultâno rent money, no health care, no food. Their kids visited them sometimes, rendezvousing in the state parks on fake âcamping tripsâ that were the only way to hook up with grandma and grandpa without ending up in an ankle cuff."
Their reason for defaulting is heartbreaking: they cannot support themselves in default, and do not want to be a burden on their children and grandchildren.
âBy coming here, we make ourselves independent. Weâre like the tribal elders in the north pole, whoâd go out on ice floes when they couldnât hunt anymore, getting out of the way and not being a burden on the productive ones.â
did this happen?
how are you doing??
our crazy 1st attempt with the urban gardening project will have itâs big wrap up 31oct. we are thinking about âlive streamingâ just in case you are interested⌠@winnieponcelet - this is for you too!!
Also - the big news⌠Hackuarium is searching for a new home!!!
yes, I knowâŚ
big hugs to all who were in Brussels for my first âIRLâ edgeryderâs experience (well, maybe except one!) . In an even further removed topic : @cindy did you manage to see Vanessaâs somerset house exibit?? London bienalle (or whatever it was called)??
and finally @albertorey I still would love your super bookâŚ
yes, I saw about that, but never managed to get or read it yetâŚ
I was really wondering about the recording on the discussion of Walkaway!
Is there a link I can go to, to hear it?
What a super ride that book was, with such a satisfying endingâŚ
I actually plan for his sequel to Big Brother as my next book (Homeland?), even if it is YA I think⌠(although Siri Hustvedtâs essays currently have me pulled in.)
Are there any chances for citizen science in another round of grants?? For some people from Hackuarium, funding could make a huge difference. Our first pea plant trial, testing the symbiotic bact culture, vs control plants, after a very the late start, is still wrapping up! A world record for late pea flowering and harvests, I guess!
Also have you heard at all from Bernard Dugas, btw? He managed to come to us at Hackuarium once, but I had hoped for a followup!
We didnât record the second reading group as dove in deeply straight away and got quickly lost in the ideas and knowledge flowing, but will be sure to record the third one coming up in November for those that canât join us!
Hey there!
Even though I missed all the discussions over here, I listened to Walkaway in autumn and am now listening (and reading) it a second time. Just wanted to thank you guys for the recommendation of this very inspiring book.
Before Walkaway, I read Ernest Callenbachs âEcotopiaâ and am now very glad to have a modern vision for a viable alternative society - for a given value of viable, that is.
Iâll try to catch up on the other econSF books, because even if I miss all the discussion, if theyâre half as good as this one, I definitely have to read them.
