Visit to Tivoli

I somehow missed the communication about the final date having been chosen, but I’m now rearraging my day to be able to be there tomorrow. @JolanWuyts already has plans he can probably not change anymore (I think?), but I could bring questions he’d like to ask with me.

@reeflings : Visit to Tivoli round 2!

On Thursday 11/07 in the end of the day (time to be confirmed), we will be visiting cohousing Tivoli in Laeken.
The main topic of the visit will be choosing common spaces, but it will also be an opportunity for newer members to see what cohousing can look like.

I already know that some current members will join (Mieke, Alin, Manuel, Chris and myself), and some can’t (Alberto, Joannes and SophieB). But maybe some other full and associate members as well as exploring members still want to join? So please fill in the poll below!

Will post more details as soon as I have them.
In the meantime if you want you can have a look at the info we already gathered during our previous visits.

  • I’ll be joining!
  • Won’t be able to make it, sorry
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I might be able to join depending on the time, I’m working during the day

thomas

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Same here, I could join after 7pm.

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Is there already a time fixed?

It will be at 8.30pm!

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Hi, Christian and I won’t be able to come but a friend of us lives there so we know the place already … Enjoy the visit !

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pics from the visit saved here: Login – Nextcloud

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hi @reeflings ,

I found our visit to Tivoli very interesting (thanks @Sarah for organizing it).
The most interesting things i remembered…

  • the common space at level 0 is open for the public and is very much used for children’s birthday parties. The space is connected to the garden and the garden is also open for the public. => point of discussion that comes back over and over. Some of the Tivoli’ers seem to be having a problem with that, but certainly not all of them. Also not straight forward for the Tivoli children to have to share ‘their’ playground

  • Quite different set-up: Community Land Trust, so ground was funded by citydev, they got a 100 year lease of the land… As a negative quite strict restrictions (income wise, obligation of having to live there for 20 years otherwise having to pay back an important amount of financial intervention)

  • the above restrictions made them end up withvery similar Tivoli’ers (same age, families with children,…). It made some decisions more easy (‘children pro’ decisions passed easily as it was important for every one,…). The 2 people giving the tour indicated they lacked some more diversity…

  • Common space at level 0: very low finishing cost (recup or second hands things, self-made). I think very < 750 euro/m2. The common space at level 5, seemed to have costed a bit more, but still looked very reasonable.

  • Common space at level 5 (top floor): choice to have the rooftop space as common space so everybody could benefit from the advantages (vue, light, …)

  • Had some bikes being stolen (as L’echapée said as well), so now they have the door ‘locked’ or with alarm from 20:00 onwards.

  • How did they deal with the common spaces decisions (as with all big decision). A team (with people interested in the topic) made a proposal and presented it to the rest of the group who could give comments.

  • What they recommend for us to do (but our financial situation is a bit different ): when they were 6 out of 9 families) they stopped looking for people. Two major advantages

    • making the heavy decisions is easier with a smaller group

    • for the last units people need to know where they will have their apartment, so the division in apartments need to have been done and the previous members should have chosen their apartment

  • They rent out their common space at level 0, they don’t ask much for this, to make it accessible to everyone. They don’t make any money out of it, after paying the accountant, nothing is much left over. they said it’s quite some work, it needs somebody being good at it and wanting to invest the time in it.

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Thanks guys!

@chris, could you move these posts to that one:

Thanks!