Following up on an idea from @els and @Sarah to re-design unit O8, I insisted with François and asked him to provide us with a sketch.
The results can be found in Team Building > Plans > Variante plans 02052025: Login – Nextcloud
The redesign in summary:
The expensive 3BR unit at the third floor of Obelix (118 m²) becomes a 97 m² 2BR.
My father’s studio (O9) becomes a very big 1BR of 80 m².
There is one studio left in Asterix (A2), 51 m², facing Idefix. This would become my father’s unit.
The remaining 3 Oak Tree studios are converted in a duplex 3BR of 135 m² (with access to the garden), which would be 75k cheaper than the O8 of the original design.
Governance-wise, the decision about the plans (15/01) and the choice of the units (25/01) was a level 3-4 decision, meaning that we don’t allow ourselves to change this decision on a whim.
If we want to do things by the book, the first question to ask would therefore be whether there is 50% majority who is willing to open this decision. Given that we are still in a stage where there are no negative consequences, I am hopeful that this would pass.
If this would be the case, then the questions to ask the round would be the following:
Which design do we prefer?
Are there any Reeflings who wish to change their choice of unit?
The first question we can solve with a quick selection process, the second with a regular round.
If there would be people who would like to change their choice, we will need to set a deadline though, because it is really urgent that we can communicate about which are the units that are actually still free. Given there is a presentation on the 18th of May, maybe we can go for a deadline of 15-16 May? Let’s discuss that tomorrow.
The architects are on holidays and will be back tomorrow. We will keep you posted as soon as we know more.
In the meanwhile, given the low level of interest in the units, I think I prefer to speed up the communication. My reasoning is that the faster we communicate about the new units, the better off we are. In the unlikely case that somebody in our group would decide to go for one of the new units after we have communicated about it, it would just add a tiny bit more chaos to our communication, which is probably not so bad.
To proceed, I think I am throwing the towel about how we advertise the prices, and I am open to giving it a try without VAT and taxes.
@els, given your speediness with numbers, would you possibly be willing to help with this? No wrong answers of course. If not however, given I’m on a break, would you be willing to ping Team Buildfin and look for a volunteer?
If yes, I have prepared a temporary slide (just a data collection document - not for publication). Would you be willing to calculate the price of the free units everything inclusive (as we used to do, so VAT and taxes, 4% mark-up and mandatory terraces) and another price without VAT and taxes (which requires a couple of cells in the three tabs to be set to 0).
I saved the file in Team R&O > Presentations > Powerpoints: Login – Nextcloud
Once it is done, can somebody please ping me on Signal? I will then integrate it in the slide deck and publish it as soon as I find a moment.
As I was not sure about certain things, i made a file with various calculations for the left-over units.
all prices are with 4% markup, without 10% margin, without registration tax (right to abattement)
without vat and taxes: I interpreted that the way things were calculated for immoweb: no notary fees and taxes (150 000), no 21% VAT, no architects fees, no fees for the technical engineers. I also recalculated the price of the options so they were without VAT and fees as well
I thought in the past we never gave the amounts with mandatory terraces. So I calculated without, with ‘coursive/ balconies on top of units’ and with ‘terraces hanging outside the building’. I did the latter as I assume at this point you will need to take the terrace as it is foreseen on the plans. But as I separated the amounts, you can chose the amount you want.
I used your file, and so used the default finishing of 900 euro net/m2. I also calculated it at 750 euro net/m2, as we did so in the past.
Sorry for noticing this only now, but this I’m afraid is a mistake. Prices on immo sites are without VAT and taxes, but with the fees for the architects and the experts. Would you be willing to run the numbers again, or should I just do a rough estimate and add 300 euro per square meter to your calculations?
Here I need to apologise. I thought it was better to include the price of the mandatory coursives, but if our objective is to go for immo-site comparable prices, then the number I need for my slide is without coursives and without balconies.
Same reasoning as above. If we want to go for immo-comparable prices, then the number I will use is the one based on 750 euro.
As soon as I find a moment I will try to work on a document for the onboarding package, so that we can bring the newlings as much clarity as possible starting from day 1.
with architects fees, with fees of the bureau d’études
without the 150 000 taxes and administrative costs for the site (the administrative costs maybe should be in, but don’t have a detail of how much is taxes and how much administrative costs => if sth needs to be changed here, let me know)
without VAT
without taxe d’urbanisme and without taxe sur la batisse
prices of options were recalculated so the prices are with fees but without VAT
