membership fees
@Matthias, to meet our requirements @gandhiano and @almereyda need to start paying Hetzner monthly for FlexiPack + range of 14 IPv4 addresses. This will increase their monthly spending and I guess they would appreciate receiving fees for those two memberships sponsored by ER. Thanks for you help with finalizing that!
half way done
As we can read below, @Kei successfully enlisted, which I hereby confirm.
Yet appearantly she wasn’t informed to assign an extra donation to the membership, which supposedly is for unMonastery, but still under the EdgeRyders regime, wherefore only the donative membership is missing and we’re all set. (← Was this actually one sentence?)
KISS
@almereyda let’s try to keep it simple! 1, 2, 3 done
1. @Matthias & @ArthurD can fill up membership form as Edgeryders and make appropriate donation. 2 x 1 year membership: 2 x 60€ = 120€ Once Ecobytes implement full financial transparency we can all easily see if and how much additional donation may at some point come appropriate, but not extra financial commitments for now! @gandhiano your form allows only to select 125€ donation as nearest one. I think that should work for ER?
@Kei and I use shared infrastructure on behalf of Edgeryders. Matthias and Arthur can at any time choose to grant this access to someone else then us. Neither of us will preferably get involved into dealing with finances 
Based on our experience we help with improving Ecobytes setup to step by step make it easier for other collectives to join and share infrastructure.
Just to clarify the membership form and payments (this has definitely to be improved ;)):
When you fill it, you will get at some point an invoice to pay your yearly membership of 60 €. Then you are a member. In this case, two different forms would need to be filled, one for each organisation.
Additional contributions are given as free donations and we ask them to everyone as a self-estimation of the value of the service provided and/or the capacity of one to pay. If you want to pay only the 2 memberships, then you just fill 2 forms with 0 € donation.
“Full financial transparency” is definitely important and a precondition for having a “community-supported business model”. Currently I’m alone doing bookkeeping and relatively overloaded (over 3 years of non-management of Ecobytes, a lot of mess to clean up), which is why this is not yet as transparent and fluid as it should. I would be happy to share this work with at least one more person, ideally even a team, that could look for the finances of Ecobytes. Currently, I can grossly say that monthly infrastructure costs (~250 €, trend down) are over what we get in from memberships (~150 €, trend up). The difference is not critical because we got quite a substantial amount of donations and we are “fixing” our infrastructure and getting rid of old, unnecessary servers. Still, I find adequate to always ask for additional donation (voluntary, own value estimation), especially when new services/facilities are requested.
Suggestions and actions to improve all this are obviously always welcome, this is not my organisation, it’s ours 
Gualter
let’s don’t get stuck on forms!
@gandhiano how about Matthias and Arthur will fill up this form as Edgeryders, mark 0 as extra donation and just transfer you right away 120 euro to account mentioned on https://co-munity.net/ecobytes/donate and you invoice ER for this amount?
Then we setup VMs we need to run and sort out all the complexity of how to map organizations, individuals, memberships as next steps? As you see currently Ecobytes also doesn’t support donating membership to someone else as a gift. Let’s fix it as soon as we sort out all the other memberships coming via thread on allmende.io
Yes, please, lets simplify all this and not get lost in bureaucracy.
Edgeryders (and only ER) will apply for membership, filling in the form (@matthias, @arthur). The standard membership costs 60 €.
You proposed previously 2x memberships (120 €), but apparently only ER can pay (not @kai, not @pavlik_elf - I’ll mark them therefore as “free memberships”). Since under ER membership more people will be “served”, ER makes an additional donation of 75 € (summing up to 135 €) or something around this.
ER will get an invoice for the full amount (membership+donation)
We definitely need to improve the model and communication on how all this works. Any willing communication/PR specialists around?
Application form sent
I’ve just filled and sent the EcoBytes application form for the Edgeryders organizational membership plus added donation as agreed above. Awaiting our invoice now 
Will care for this today
Sorry for the delay, I didn’t closely follow this, but will arrange today with @ArthurD to get those payments done as soon as he can manage.
I think we already decided to do that…
There are two things missing, however: (1) we need to know who the second recipient of the membership, besides yourself, is (@Kei signaled she is already a member) and (2) @ArthurD needs to make the payment to Ecobyte.
For the avoidance of confusion: The final agreement above, written a bit after your comment, states that we should register one membership for the Edgeryders organization and include an additional payment so that it in total covers the two “free memberships” of Kei and Elf. I’ve done accordingly, wait for the invoice now and will forward it to @ArthurD for payment when it arrives (confirming it to be legit, according to our “two directors” rule for expenses).
Note: I appreciate that Elf helped simplify the process in the discussion above
thanks!
much appreciated @Matthias! I guess @gandhiano should send you an invoice and I should already setup http://bus.matera.io on VM from ecobytes sometimes this week
Oh and … invoice by e-mail please
@gandhiano, you need to send us the EcoBytes invoice by e-mail (to the address I registered with is fine, I’ll take care of it then). You very probably send all invoices by e-mail anyway, I just want to make sure the rest of becoming an EcoBytes member goes all smooth. (Because, the Edgeryders invoice address that I gave is not monitored for snail mail.)
bitcoins
i also asked for donating bitcoins to ecobytes on twitter: https://twitter.com/elfpavlik/status/550406938128056320
my take on bitcoin stated in this video still holds!
Ecobytes membership form
Would you be so nice to fill it in when you have some time?
https://co-munity.net/ecobytes/membership-form
No hurry,you can wait for your formal ok
org memberships
Do you have mechanism which allows Edgeryders subscribing for two memberships as organization and then assigning each of those membership to particular individual?
I would also like that ER memberships stay fully transparent, does Ecobytes have page with list of official memberships?
liquid administration
As I understand the organizational patterns used in Ecobytes, it is completely adaptable to any possible case. So we can just practition the way you propose.
As for the Website, I don’t understand Ecobytes’ drupal well enough to create new content, like a “happy users” page. Please ask @gandhiano about it.
We don’t really have a mechanism for double membership, but rather ask for voluntary donation if you think your organisation services are more expensive (own value estimation) or the organisation has some budget that can be given to IT. We might need/want to put things like quotas in the future and add some pay-for-usage, but as long as we don’t need it, we can keep informal. It has kind of worked for 8 years now 
You can of course also make two private members as members, but for me this would only make sense if Edgeryders is not a formal organisation with own accounting (which I think it is?).
List of official memberships we still don’t have. I’ve been planning to get a proper members area running on ecobytes | Ecobytes, but am constantly delaying this task. If someone wants to work with me on thinking this area - allowing for the community members to get support from us and each other, as well as progressively providing a control panel (and payment) for different services, overview of the Ecobytes community financial situation, etc. - please say This is an important one to move forward with the development of the community-based “business” model.
custom agreement
@gandhiano @Matthias maybe for now let’s just make custom agreement as you stated above:
“Edgeryders LbG getting two Ecobytes memberships as an organization, which we will then assign to Elf and Kei, who would then participate in the Ecobytes decision making process etc… Organization membership would mean that assignments can be changed if there is a need.”
elf Pavlik: https://co-munity.net/user/6535
@Kei could you please add link to yours?
As I understand Edgeryders LbG will transfer Ecobytes e.V. 120 euro for 2 x 1 year membership (as requested here)
http://co-munity.net/ecobytes/donate
Then we work together as a collective not as mere customer & provider
Thanks
Mine is here https://co-munity.net/user/6015.
And big thanks to all involved in this discussion! Looking forward to getting unMonastery hosting sorted, and please let me know how I can contribute to Ecobytes in the coming months!