Could this maybe become a joint @reef-building and inclusion task?
And wouldn’t this be what the discussion would be mainly about?
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It seems to me this topic is strongly linked to ‘do we want to spend more money on the common spaces and if so, how much and on what do we want to spend it: elevators and/or sth else’. For me that’s a reef-finance topic. I don’t see how reef-building can help with that.
With the common helping circle ‘common spaces’ reef-facilitation/reef-building we’ve established several possibilities:
- foresee elevators in all building, at a price of 70000 euro/elevator and some loss of space for units
- only foresee the shafts for now, this wouldn’t be a great cost (only the loss of the m2 of units) and foresee the elevators at a later point in time
- foresee chair-or wheelchair elevators in the staircases of asterix/idefix, and thus maybe having to foresee a bit larger staircases as normal, which would probably cost a little bit (little loss of m2 of units). The minimum cost we would need to do now, is foresee some larger staircases (maybe), and then later we can choose when to finance /install the chair- or wheelchair elevators
- keep it as foreseen on the plans right now: one elevator in Obelix, nothing else in the other buildings
@Sophie_B : do you have any idea what the demand is of e.g Oaktree towards the accessibility? Is it elevators, or can it be staircase elevators?
If we don’t have the answer on the ‘do we have extra budget for the common spaces’ for the architects, i am afraid it’s going to be either
- ‘try to make the best out of the commons spaces currently foreseen’
- or postpone the delivery of ‘Le program common spaces’ to the architects by the 15/08, and thus further postpone the whole planning
As it’s holiday’s ideally this topic should be addressed in the plenary of the 23rd of July or in the full members meeting of coming Monday, so people on holiday now, can have there say still when they come back
(maybe in one of the next meetings, we can get a feeling of where the group would like to go with the above mentionned options, taking into account the current situation we’re in. And then see where we could get the money from, if needed)
Thanks a lot for that @ChrisM.
For the planning of all the topics that we need to discuss I would like to organise a Coordination Group meeting shortly, so that we can get an overview and a planning from now until the end of September. I’ll post about that soon.
For the frequency of the plenary meetings I will shortly make a post with a proposal.
Many of the topics you list are dependent on the budget. Here too I will make a post with a proposal on how to go about this, which will include an approach to the questions about the elevators and the common spaces.
For the accessibility / elevators thingy I worry that we would spend a lot of time overthinking it while essentially all the arguments are already on the table. @Sophie_B would it work for you if I’d make a first draft and then pass it on to Team Inclusion?
Sharing some thoughts, but can be discussed again in the meeting.
I would say this is a priority, as it would be needed for feedback to the architects end of august. I think we can probably do without up to then, and just work on possible scenarios “if we have extra money we would do this, then that…”
This can be in september I would say, as incorporation won’t be before then…
Hi @reef-coordination , hi team leads,
As mentioned to most of you, in order to approve budget estimations for July December 2024, i would kindly ask you for the following:
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Talk to your team and identify the main things your team budget will cover throughout July – December (the more detailed possible)
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Team lead to go to budget estimation doc here and ensure that columns D (July – December budget) and G (main items July -December) are completed. Columns G (main items) will serve as a place where we can go back and justify our expenses
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Should in the future, one of the team would like to cover a budget that is NOT within description (not in column G – main items), the “Unexpected expenses” process will have to be followed. More about that on Alberto’s post here
Note Lie’s post here as well.
We need to present this at the next plenary , so it would be great you could check and complete the table by Friday this week.
Thanks
ugne
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Hello @reef-coordination,
Shall we organise a quick Coordination Group meeting on Monday 29 July at 7 pm? For the agenda I would propose we focus on the key tasks and milestones for Team Building and Team Finance. A second item could to go through the planning from now until mid-October together, and see what will be the priorities in terms of building, finance, inclusive units, engagement with the neighbourhood and recruitment.
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Done 
No problem for me, but I would need to leave at 8.15pm. I can start the meeting earlier to have more time…
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good for me, i can start earlier if needed …
Hi there,
I could join
same anything after 6pm is fine.
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me too, quite flexible!
Let’s say start time of 6pm then, to be safe…
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Hello @reef-coordination,
As discussed at the plenary meeting I have made a list of tasks, issues, questions etc that we need to look at from now until the end of the year (link: Login – Nextcloud).
As they all turn out to be in the remit of Team Finance & Legal, I would like to cancel the Coordination Group meeting scheduled for this Monday and replace with a “Team Finance + Coordinator” meeting. As there has been a Coordination Group with updates only a month ago, I reckon this should be fine.
Once we have an overview on the big tasks and issues, we could then organise a Coordination Group meeting after the summer break.
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All good for me
That‘ll be without me, I‘m afraid . We’re offline until 31 Jul.
hi @reef-finance ,
- in a conversation with lie, she asked if i would be willing to join team finance for the moment, for the link team finance - team building and for the more ‘figure’ part . So if that is ok with you, i would join you as well (on monday and for the next team finance meetings).
- another thing, with team building and following the discussion about the contract with the architects, we already started to have a list of all possible extra costs (some more sure than others): Costs not foreseen in the price per m2
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That’s great, thanks. We could use the Elspower.
I don’t foresee lots of meetings in this period, though. What we discussed, and will formalize at the coordination meeting, is to divide some fairly large tasks among us and then go do them in the coming weeks. Maybe you could help with that?
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After having had a look at the talking points here some short remarks:
Missing money:->Sarah and I enquired on this topic with Juan from Triodos, in short there are two possible ways, within the group via a notarised “convention de prete” or through Triodos via a loan “en indivision”, pls see notes saved here: Login – Nextcloud
Clause on blocked accounts-> possibly we could ask Triodos/ Juan to share best practises when we send him our full draft of the SoSim statutes.
Clarity on mortgages-> individual questions such as on ammortisation, bridging mortgages, instalments are best addressed by one of our two contacts at Triodos. Members who want to take a loan with them should take an appointment.
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