Reinstating the Full Member dinners / deep connection moments and starting an evaluation of how we want to reshape them: a request

Hello @reef-conflict,

We have been talking about the organisation of the Full Member dinners at the Coordination Group in January of this year, where @Sterre committed the team to taking over the organisation of these dinners, including the launch of an exercise on how the dinners could be reshaped.

As it’s been five months now without a lot of tangible results, in this post I would like to offer a short description of how things used to be and how some things have changed plus some suggestions on how you could take this forward.

To be clear: I am not writing this post with any blame or judgement - it’s really all good. I just have a dear need for some emotional hygiene space to be in place as we used to have it, and so I trust that you can read this post coming from a place of seeking alignment and seeking a solution for my unfulfilled need.

1. The history of the Full Member dinners

Noting that our group is growing (i.e. not everybody is as familiar with past practices) and that we have a commitment to transparency and documentation, this section brings a short summary of where we are coming from.

In the early days …

Once upon a time, in the embryo stages of The Reef, we used to have Full Member dinners only when there was a crisis (the earliest I remember is February 2022). The way it worked was we would get together at 7 pm sharp for a dinner, clear the dishes by 8 sharp and then go into meeting mode. Not so much later, the way I remember it, we institutionalised these dinners a bit more, and committed to organising these dinners every 8-12 weeks, still with the same format (start the meeting part at 8 pm sharp) but more in view of having a space for emotional connection and maintenance.

Moving to every 6 weeks and adding decisions about membership

A bit later, when we ran into a crisis around decision-making about membership applications, we added discussions about membership applications to these Full Member dinners and changed the frequency to every 6 weeks (with the dates set for the next 6 months ahead, to avoid the scheduling problem). At some point we also created a new role, the “Full Members Coordinator”, to which @ChrisM got selected twice.

The situation until last year

This is still how the situation was at the governance reform of February last year, where the frequency and function of these dinners was confirmed (Login – Nextcloud - at the end of the document)

We use the Full Member dinners for appreciation, feedback and making space for whatever is difficult in that moment

  • We organise the Full Member dinners every 6 weeks (as it is now). If a dinner falls away, we schedule another one, so that we always have a moment for appreciation and feedback at least every 6 weeks.
  • We make enough time for emotional maintenance. This means doing sessions on appreciation, personal connection, feedback on things that are not going well or which are creating frustration, and making space for anything that needs to be said.

Reasoning:

  • See Lee’s post1 and Powerpoint2 on managing power and responsibility in a self-managed group: power-with is only possible when people are held accountable, and there is honest feedback given in an atmosphere of mutual trust.
  • The people who will take up a lot of responsibility need to be able to trust that feedback will be given, as soon as possible.
  • Making space for appreciation and frustration should ensure that as few things as possible disappear under the water line.

1 How to manage power and responsibility in a collaborative group

2 Login – Nextcloud

2. What has changed and not changed

Around the autumn of last year @ChrisM stepped down as the Full Members Coordinator and a bit later I proposed to mothball the so-called “Group Coordinator” role (to which I had been selected twice) and to move in the direction of more shared leadership (see Relaunching the Coordination Group + working towards the selection of the Coordination Group Leader).

Because of the difficult times that we were going through as a group, it didn’t work out to organise Full Member dinners every 6 weeks, but in principle the decision to not do this has so far not been taken.

Somewhere in between part of the discussions on membership have moved online. Was this because of the summer break? I can’t remember, but I do remember that we never decided to have discussions about final applications online.

3. Reshaping the Full Member dinners

At the Coordination Group meeting in January we agreed that Team Conflict Management would take over the organisation of the Full Member dinners, plus set up a process in which we would collectively think about how we could possibly reshape these dinners. The way I understood this, ideally at some point this would be specified in a proposal that would then come to a plenary meeting.

A first poll has been made about how people see things (see FM dinner), but so far there has not been any follow up to that.

4. Some suggestions on how to take this further

A common learning edge in sociocracy is a desire to decide everything together, which can in some cases slow things down for no reason. The solution to this is empowering people (or Helping Circles) to achieve more agility and efficiency. One suggestion could therefore be to make some explicit role descriptions (e.g. planner, logistical organiser, cook(s), topics collector, facilitator(s) etc), select people or groups of people for it, and then trust them to take responsibility outside of the Team Conflict Management meetings. This doesn’t stop you from talking about the Full Member dinners at the Team Conflict Management meetings, but at least you won’t need to lose time on trivial things and instead you can talk about what really matters for the next dinner.

The discussion about the format is probably a bigger one. Questions could include the following:

  • How often do people want to meet?

  • Will it be expected that everybody shows up, or will it be optional?

  • Do we eat and chitchat, or do we make space for really deep conversations about tensions under the waterline?

  • Do we want to continue to call it “Full Member dinners”, or have we reached the point where shortly everybody will be a FM and a more suitable name would be something like “Connection Moments”? Etc etc etc.

  • How do we transparently collect topics that people would like to address?

  • How will these meetings be facilitated?

  • Etc etc etc.

If it would turn out that currently there is not enough capacity in Team Conflict Management to take this on, I’d be grateful if you could consider setting up a Helping Circle just on this topic and invite 1-2 people who’d be willing to step in (I won’t, if that can be of reassurance :sweat_smile:).

4. My request

The times have been difficult lately, and they will become difficult again in the future without any doubt. So in the first place I miss these deep connection spaces a lot, as I believe they are a foundational institution that keeps us together when we are under a lot of pressure.

At a more personal level, as a Reefling who does more work than average, I tend to receive more criticism than average, and I reckon I also trigger certain people more than the average Reefling. To the extent possible I have a preference to receive feedback in a one-on-one setting, and I can also imagine that there are situations in which it can feel supportive to do this in the presence of the entire group. In as long as it can be brought in neutral way (e.g.“when you said A, I felt B, because I have a need for C - how is that for you to hear?”), I would personally receive such feedback as a great gift, and it would bring an incredible sense of safety to me knowing that we have a space that we open at a regular frequency where we can try to re-establish trust and connection.

In summary, to me these Full Member dinners were an absolutely essential institutional mechanism in terms of connection, feedback and accountability. Having them at a regular frequency brings me a sense of safety on several fronts, and so my request to @reef-conflict would in the first place be whether you could please start organising these dinners as we used to do (i.e. every 6 weeks, starting the talking part at 8 pm sharp), or else ask for help if you don’t have the capacity.
In a second place I think it could be a nice part of our growth process as a group to evaluate these Full Member dinners and see how we could reshape them, so I think I would like to ask for a perspective on what you are planning to do on this front (i.e. what, how and by when) and that you possibly ask for help if you don’t have enough capacity. How is that for you?

5. Feedback

I want to refer back to the introduction of my post, where I emphasized that I am writing all this not from a place of reproach, but from a genuine desire to get back to the frequent organisation of these dinners, which I consider like an essential institution to keep our group healthy and alive, and which would bring me personally a greater sense of safety.

I realised it became a long post - in part because I thought it could add value to document the history of things have evolved, in part because sometimes I prefer more words over lack of clarity. I shared my own thoughts on a couple of issues and I added a request, which feels a bit vulnerable. So if somebody would be moved to add their own viewpoint or how my post has landed, it would help me to feel more connected. TIA!

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Hello @reef-conflict,

As I posted something that is somewhat vulnerable, I would have liked a small acknowledgment, and ideally sign on how this is going to be followed up on. Would that be possible?

Furthermore, with only three weeks before the summer break, I’d also be especially grateful if the dates of the next coming FM connection moments could be made known shortly. Thanks in advance for your understanding.

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Hi Lee,

After you made this post, we made sure to make it a point in our agenda for our last meeting. We agreed to make these dinners a priority. Thank you for your thoughts, Lee, and sorry for not reacting under this post. It slipped my mind.

We’ll make sure that a FM dinner happens every 6 weeks. Chris will put the dates in the agenda and make an announcement.

Next meeting (16/6) we’ll evaluate the last FM dinner and get organised for the next one. @reef-full, your feedback is very welcome. I think this topic is an appropriate place to share it, but if you’re more comfortable to give feedback in a private message, that is also fine. I will make sure to present it at our next conflict management meeting.

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Dates for the next FM dinners in this post: Full Members dinners for the rest of 2026 :slight_smile:

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I would like to ‘top up’ this topic.
Within @reef-conflict we’ve been evaluating and discussing the FM moments, and I’d like to invite @reef-full to dive into the reflection with us.
I’ll be the first one (as a member of team conflict management) to admit that the last FM dinners have left us with a feeling that we did not quite grasp the meaning and purpose of these moments together. Indeed, sometimes people felt like it was not very productive. Others left the meeting with even more tension in their body than before the meeting. Some people would prefer not to go at all, for different reasons.

We’re not saying the meetings have been completely useless. We’re saying that we, team conflict management, would like to have more input from you in order to evaluate and make the meetings more meaningful and effective (in terms of connection, appreciation and emotional maintenance).

Within the team, @ChrisM remarked that the dynamic at the heart of why it’s difficult to manage the FM circle is that not everyone agrees on how to get to this ‘harmonious well-functioning community’. Things like appreciation rounds and emotional resets make some people uncomfortable, while others believe that an over focus on group dynamics detracts from the “real” work and/or that it is the (more practical) work itself that will lead to the type of community we all envision.

We can turn this discussion into a meeting, but I quite resonate with @GaultierDWM 's reluctance towards having a meeting on how to organise a meeting. So we prefer for the moment to do it here.

We’ve been struggling with the concept and the expectations of these FM moments, and I would like to hear more from (all of) you. Opinions, suggestions, criticism… all welcome.

Feel free to say whatever you’d like, but if you need a prompt:

  • How have you experienced the FM moments so far? What has felt valuable, and what has felt uncomfortable, frustrating, or unhelpful?

  • What kinds of activities or formats work for you (‘emotional’ check-in rounds, appreciation rounds, open discussions, a clear agenda, visioning)? And are there things you would prefer to avoid?

  • If you could redesign the FM moments from scratch, what would you keep, change, or let go of?

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Thank you so much, dear @Sterre and team, for this reflection. It’s really interesting!

Here’s my two cents as an early member.

Backstory (perhaps useful)

I recall the story of the FM dinners as follows.

  • Initially, there were none, just the plenaries. Then we remarked that we needed a more intimate space to discuss applications for full membership. So we invented FM meetings (not yet dinners).
  • These meetings were quite uncomfortable (I remember an epic one a Sophie’s place), mostly because we lacked experience. Someone then had the idea of FM dinners as a more convivial space for connection among us. I think that suggestion gestured towards the monthly dinners that the very first Reeflings (@Lee, @ugne , @manuelpueyo and myself, as well as Sabine and Malcolm, a couple that did not stay) organized before we decided to take the plunge.
  • These dinners went quite well for a while. I remember, for example, @Dave_Starhawk teaching everyone to play Avalon in @Sarah’s and @ChrisM 's garden! However, the need for meetings and decisions on memberships did not disappear, so we were left with an ambiguity (at least, I perceive it as such): FMs gather to work, but also to connect.

Where we are now

My feeling is that now we are in a different phase. People struggle to keep up. We are supposed to put in two hours a week of work, but we have on average, what? 3 plenaries and 1 FM meeting or dinner a month, plus the socials, the team meetings and then you still need to put in two hours, and it gets difficult. In the last FM meeting I attended we squeezed in a plenary topic because it could not wait until the following plenary. The meeting lasted over two hours, and was completely not conducive to connection to anything except our beds when the meeting was finally over. The pressure means that some of us feel the need for more common worktime (shared understading, making decisions) and others for more connection, and both groups are right. The pressure is also not going to get better any time soon.

I have no quick fix to propose for this problem. In principle we could revisit our entire architecture, but that, too, takes time and concentration. Maybe a possibility could be to simply let FM meetings/dinners go altogether. As recruitment advances, there is less and less difference between a plenary and a FM meeting anyway. We can shift attention over to some social hangouts to find connection (and yes, I know it’s not the same thing, I did say it was two cents!), and ease the pressure.

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Thank you, @Sterre, for this, I resonate a lot with what you’ve shared.
I left yesterday feeling lost and heavy, and I was also planning to bring this up with the group.

My 0.1 cent: Personally, I value intentional brunches/meals for full members, with quality time spent together, ideally with a larger group of members. I imagine that after-work social hangouts could be more casual and spontaneous.

My perception is that there is some overlap between the scopes of Team Community Life and Team Conflict Management at this point - I probably have stolen @GaultierDWM 's reflection.

What is valuable: eating and chatting around the same table.
This really meets my need for deeper connection ( or simply getting to know each other ) with conversations in a more convivial and lighter atmosphere. But I understand that these gatherings could sometimes get dark, heavy, or emotionally intense.

What is uncomfortable:
One would think that, by sitting in a circle without tables, we would fee closer. But my experience was that: ugh, this feels like an AA meeting that I’ve seen in an American movie, the kind where things don’t go well.

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Thank you @Wenwei and @alberto for your reflections. The group is growing, time is scarce, a tension between the need for shared work and decision-making and the need for deeper social connection, although preferably not AA-meeting-style (thank you for the reference, Wenwei, it made me laugh).

I want to hear more! Do some people agree with the suggestion to let go of the FM dinners altogether, and focus more on community life? Do others argue that ‘uncomfortable’ is nothing to be too scared of, that it is important to make room to talk about difficult topics?

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i find it a difficult one.

if I look back to the FM meetings I attended, I find the most ‘successfull’ one, the last one of least year, just before the christmas period. And for me several factors that stood out for me:

  • it was a moment of connection. Several people shared how they experienced that period of the year in a very spontaneous way, which made it for me a very meaningfull moment.

  • it was a moment where we let go of the frictions/tensions of every day working together, to just connect

  • it was a gathering of a very limited amount of people. I think we were 6 or so.

Even though I am not very comfortable about appreciations, i do see it’s value, to pick one or two people out of a hat and then consciously stand still and reflect on what this person brings to the group.

In an ideal scenario I would like this meetings to be a place where we can talk about tensions/frictions, but at this point I think this best happens between the people involved. And best even after a period of reflection and ‘letting it sink’.

I still wonder if we cannot try it out as a place to discuss certain topics that live in the group. E.g. right now I have a feeling there is a group where ‘efficiency and delivering the project as fast and as cheap as possible’ is the most important, while I hear/feel there are others who value the integration of people, investing time in that to make them feel more part of the project (my guess).

I personally would like to try out certain things, maybe dividing the group in several sub groups, because I think we still need a space for sth for which there is no space during PM or socials.

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Hi, thanks a lot for opening this discussion.

How have you experienced the FM moments so far?
Honestly, not really. The appreciation rounds in particular feel superficial to me. I’d rather appreciate each other in our daily conversations than set aside a specific moment for it. (The same goes for the appreciation rounds at the end of the plenaries: they make me very uncomfortable and don’t feel natural, so I’d rather not have them in a fixed format.) The latest FM dinners all felt heavy. I agree with Els about the one around Christmas last year: it was a beautiful meeting. It became very vulnerable at a certain point, it went natural and was in the end heartwarming. I haven’t experienced that since.

What kinds of activities or formats work for you?
Let’s meet up, enjoy each other’s company, and let the topics come up spontaneously. If someone really wants to discuss something with the whole group, they can of course flag that in advance.

If you could redesign the FM moments from scratch, what would you keep, change, or let go of?
I would let go of them. We will soon all be FM anyway, so let’s focus on social hangouts where we can connect and keep things lighter. Again, if someone really wants to discuss something with the whole group, we should of course make space for that.

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I second @mieke on what she said. The appreciation rounds often feel somewhat superficial to me, and I much prefer expressing appreciation naturally in our everyday conversations rather than setting aside a specific moment for it. The same applies to the appreciation rounds at the end of plenaries, which can feel uncomfortable and forced rather than natural.

For me, it would be more enjoyable to simply meet, spend time together, and let conversations develop organically. If someone wants to discuss a particular topic with the whole group, they can always share it in advance so we can make room for it.

If I were to redesign the FM moments, I would let go of the fixed format. Since we will all be FM soon anyway, I’d rather focus on informal social gatherings where we can connect and keep things lighter, while still making space for group discussions when they are genuinely needed.

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Thanks a lot for your thoughts @Odile @els @mieke !
We’ve come together with @reef-conflict and, also taking into account the input shared in this topic, would like to propose transforming the FM dinners into 2-3 Reef Retreats per year (for example one between summer and Christmas, one between Christmas and easter, and one between easter and summer).

We were inspired by our experience last weekend and how much it strengthened the connection within our group. I think @Lee deserves credit here to come up with the Reef Retreat in the first place. And I believe you had a similar idea: having fewer FM moments, but making more time for each one.

During a Reef Retreat, we could envision the Reef together, discuss Reef-related topics, and if needed, make space for more difficult or emotional conversations, before wrapping up with a dinner or a group game.

In short, going back to the core idea of what a ‘FM moment’ should be about: to establish a deeper connection and to reconnect with what our group is about and what we want to achieve together.

@Reef-conflict will make sure the retreats are planned and take place, but of course we would work together with all of you in order to fill an agenda (@reef-coordination) and arrange logistics.

Thoughts?

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I don’t have a strong opinion on this for the moment, but I will take the opportunity to echo what Sterre said about the deep sense of connection at the Reef Retreat on Sunday. Engaging with Alberto’s presentation on the freedom we are manifesting, and how we might channel out collective advantage into creative initiatives that will benefit us and the wider community was particularly special, and the sort of thing that we haven’t had much time to do for a while. Special shout out to to @Lee for the inspiration to make it all happen :green_heart:

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@Sterre Yes, I think this is a great idea. We’re all quite busy, and having fewer gatherings that allow for more meaningful and deeper connections could be much more beneficial than meeting more frequently for shorter moments.

The Reef Retreat last weekend showed how valuable it can be to have dedicated time together—not only to discuss Reef-related topics, but also to reconnect as a group and make space for more personal or difficult conversations.

I really like the idea of focusing on 2–3 retreats per year and making each one more intentional and impactful. This feels very aligned with what FM moments should be about I think.

Thanks again @Lee for coming up with that concept.

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