Interesting enough, this is the complete opposite of some of the first subject moderation instances that was fully monetized - i.e. that of the AOL Chat Rooms in the early 1990’s.
We had a friend who was 14 years old and he was mod of the “teen forum” - he made 30K per year from doing so! AOL actually paid for him to come down to the VA. HQ for a sit down with other mods and admins.
Of course, that ended soon enough when AOL couldn’t charge 10 cents a minute for access to their digital world.
In our case (our forums), the mods were all volunteers but since we made some $$ from ads and sponsorships I paid them in later years with stipends and bonuses.
I think one main point is that a model has to be built on something which is already proven somewhere (human interaction has not really changed). What people will pay for is likely the same as always, as well as what they will not. Also, how they will act if they pay for something (ownership) comes into play, as do regional and national differences.
I have to also agree with most of what trythis says about the different goals of users vs. mods- or, in fact, the differing goals of each user. Although most mods start out as users they usually rise above the fray based on merit, not on pay. One can only imagine if FB allowed people to pay $10 a month to start a “more special group”…that many of those people would feel they were Kings and Queens of their little domain. As it stands many seem to feel this way just because they started a “page”. This is, in fact, one of the largest problems of Social Media…that of thinking they are special because they have a page or the like. Ah, Human Nature.
I wish I had all the answers - but perhaps Social Media is more like Movies and Documentaries where the “moderators” can be, in a sense, the creators (curators) and therefore rewarded (paid) as opposed to the opposite. It’s not so different…the users pay for their streaming services (internet service, netflix, etc.) and the money funnels up to the content creators and curators.
This would be near impossible but a tiny tax on internet service which could be used for certain types of social media (akin to community TV and Radio which they already DO fund) would be ideal. But in todays world…that is a non-starter, IMHO, for many reasons.
Definitely brainstorming here, but maybe $$ from the good ole billionaires who truly want to see a more just and civil world is part of the answer? They fund Public Radio and TV here in the USA and this could be, in a sense, sold as something similar.
I don’t see a lot of mention of Reddit here - and, yes, they have their problems, but there is some things they do right in terms of balance.
actually - it’s the server admins who pay for the moderation, not the users. And the fee is calculated by how many active users are on the instance, not how much work they generate.
So: Bob runs a server. They invite 20 of their friends to it, and everything is peachy. When these 20 get into an argument, or Alice posts an inappropriate picture, Bob is on it. With 20 users, it’s easy to do in ones free time.
Now, those friends are so excited about this, that they in term each invite 20 more users. So suddenly Bob has 400 users on his server, and a month later, it’s 2000.
Handling the moderation needs for 2000 users is too much work for Bob. So Bob turns to Darcy and pays a monthly fee to have their instance moderated. Bob can either pay this fee on their own (maybe they are a feeling generous, or have the extra income), or they can collect donations from the users. (Darcy will offer easy interfaces to Patreon or PayPal for this) Maybe they hit up the local hardware store to get a static “this instance is supported by DIY Haven!” banner somewhere.
(Bob might be tempted to add in automated banner advertising or worse. But that would get them into trouble with the Darcy moderation team terms of service, and the instance won’t be eligible for moderation anymore.)
We at Darcy strongly believe in paying the moderators, and paying them well. This is serious work, that needs serious training and also serious support. We’ve all read the reports out of Cognizant and similar outfits. Don’t be like that!
Ands yes, moderators are chronically underpaid, though if they are doing moderation for profitable businesses they tend to do better. And a lot of moderating is part-time work, with not a great hourly rate, so it attracts stay-at-home mothers, people still living with their parents and others who don’t or can’t work full time. Many of these folks are very good at the work. Many are not.
nice to read you.
This is an interesting project you’re pushing here.
I was reading about the federation abilities of Darcy, and the comparison with other federated platforms such as Mastodon.
Will Darcy be a part of the Fediverse and able to federate with Pixelfed, Mastodon, etc, based on AcrivityPub?
Second question, did you reach out SwitchingSocial?
They’re doing a good job at referencing all social networks options
right now, we are aiming to use ActivityPub, so Darcy instances will be able to federate with all instances that use the same protocol.
There is one caveat though: In order to keep the safety promise, federation might be cut with instances that don’t manage to self-moderate with the same (transparent and not too onerous) standards. This is especially important for instances that are aimed at minors for example.
As soon as we are actually live, we will for sure reach out to SwitchingSocial, but it’s too early for that right now.
I just signed up to the platform. Honestly, I am surprised by all the potential that is concentrated here. And I have to say this platform is well hidden. Anyway, @JollyOrc I love your idea. I didn’t follow most of the thread, but I am very very impressed by your initiative. I hope it will be far well into the future. Is it already in some testing phase?