I don’t mind either way… I don’t think it would take me that long, but it might indeed not be necessary.
I have some questions to ask so I’ll be having a look at the document anyway, so happy to do a little extra on it if we think it’s better. @els what do you think?
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@reef-building : meeting minutes of monday’s meeting are completed
sophie: read the report the made of the meeting with the architects. Thanks! Added some small things…
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@reef-building : on friday we have a team building meeting foreseen.
In the last meeting we decided to see before any coming team building meeting if it’s worthwhile to keep it.
I see 2 more urgent topics:
- the architects want a number of bike spaces as input with the rest of the common spaces input => I propose i write a proposal based on what they communicated in the meeting we had last monday, and then have you review it so it can be brought up in the next plenary
- as an ap in the last TB meeting i took up to launch the third round of ‘Le program’.
– I wanted to wait to have still some questions answered by the architects
– Tonight we had the helping circle ‘common spaces’ and the idea is now to have a post on ER, have a first feedback of this post in the plenary of the 17th and then make a proposal with the goal to have a decision taken on the plenary of the 1st of July (so we can send the ‘program of the units’ + ‘program of the common spaces’ to the architects on the 2nd of july.
=> I assume we will not have an absolute guarantee on laundry room/guest room/ atelier/ co working space with fixed desks/screens, even after the decision on the first of July, so i think we should include an extra input in the 3rd round of le program 'would you want to increase your m2 if there wouldn’t be a laundry room, guest room, atelier, coworking space with fixed desk and screen,… and if so by how many m2)
If we can decide on this via ER, and you don’t see any other things that need to be adressed, i propose to cancel friday’s Team building meeting… Let me know if that’s ok for you
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hi @Sarah @sophie
wrote a proposal for the number of bike spaces
https://c301.nl.tabdigital.eu/f/145207
maybe certain parts are redundant=> if you would have time to review it?
I will ask ugne to put it on the agenda of the plenary…
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@Sophie_B @Sarah
i made a copy of ‘le programme’ survey and adapted it a bit…
can you review?
Sarah, there is a question about ‘balcony/terrace’ => what is the difference? In the simulation , we only speak about terrace. Can i leave out the balcony?
I set 26/06 as deadline, with the goal to send it to the architects after the plenary of the 1ste of july, together with the program of the common spaces…
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I just had a look at the bike space proposal and added a few lines. Will try to have a look at le programme on Friday (not a lot of time until then, sorry)
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@reef-building : friday’s team building cancelled…
The idea is to send the request to fill in ‘Le program’ friday evening and set the deadline to 26/06 (so we have time to go through it and then send it to the architects beginning of july, with the progam of the commons). If you would have remarks on that, let me know…
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@els, thank you for updating this. Two small questions: The introductory text mentions the common spaces but the survey is only about the private apartments, right? And are we sure about the number of m² that we give for the different apartments? I feel they are very high and I don’t understand what happens between 69 and 94m² / 98 and 113m².
Thanks
- the survey asks a bit about the common spaces: number of bike spaces wanted… But i’ll reread it and adapt
- for the m2, i checked with was in the excell file sarah made (and which is copied to the jet-14 file), so i guess it’s ok. @sarah?
- What happens between 69 and 94 m2: 69m2 is a small 2- bedroom apartment, 94 =2 is a big 2-bedroom apartment, anything in between is between small and big. That’s my interpretation. I don’t know if this really matters, i think it’s only important if you would say: i want a 2 bedroom apartment of 60m2. These m2 were given by the architects, so going below that would cause a problem. Going above it, doens’t seem a problem to me…
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hi @Sophie_B
As i added the bike proposal to the agenda of this monday’s plenary, i accepted your modifications.
I think I followed most of your suggestions except for one:
- the one where you say sth about moving the bike spaces outside, as part of the common spaces discussion => for me this is up to the architects to figure it out. We’ll give the number of bike spaces wanted, what we want as common spaces (in an order of priority) and the extra budget we might have for it, and they try to figure it out. That’s how i see it…
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Thanks for all of this Els!
I see I’m a few days behind on this, which is a sad cause that conversation is important.
My weeks are very busy at the moment, and I find it hard to keep up to date with everything on ER. When you would like my input, would you guys be ok to send me a little signal message, for now, if you see I’m not reacting? Would totally understand if it’s too much to ask so feel free to say no.
Also, I think it could help us (and would certainly help me sort out ER notifications), if we could make specific posts when we talk about a new subject. Otherwise personaly I find it a bit hard to follow and be reactive on urgent things, and also to retrieve information.
Would it be ok if I ask @ChrisM if he can split this thread from this post on I would say? Although it might be a bit messy with the bike conversation, but we’ll see how we can deal with that best.
On the bike spaces proposal: I think the architects said to add a bit extra on top of the ‘oreiller’ calculation. I don’t think they told us how much but in their original proposal it was +15 (?); maybe +10 would be acceptable?
I made a suggestion for edit in the document. What do you think?
On le programme 3
Actually that’s not clear for me! 
It was made by jolan, a former reefling, and I’ve never been sure what the difference is…
Some of these measurements are gross, is it maybe the reason that you found the numbers high @Sophie_B ? Or is it something else?
Also we never asked your question on the minimum size of a 3 bedroom apartments if it was only for 1 or 2 people, did we?
If I’m not mistaken (which I may cause I didn’t sleep much last night), the numbers are:
- Standard size for a 2 bedroom apartment is 75-78m2 net for a 2 bedrooms appartment so 94 gross.
- Bare minimum size is 67m2 net so 84 gross
(I’m getting a bit dizzy with all the numbers right at this moment. Can you please check me out with the thread on calculations)
So we should put 84 and 94 as the numbers for a 2 bedroom (right?).
I haven’t had time to look at the actual Le programme survey yet, hopefully I’ll get some time in the afternoon…
Finally I would actually like it if we could rediscuss the process for Le Programme 3 a little, and more specifically on the price fork issue. I don’t feel fully comfortable with the process and the information the architects are giving us to make our decisions.
I should have reacted and asked for a team building mmeting on this, but didn’t think we were gonna move forward so fast and also took to realise I wasn’t ok with that. So, sorry about that.
Will contact Els on the phone, and make a clearer post if we agree to move ahead with this.
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On the bike spaces proposal:…
I made a suggestion for edit in the document. What do you think?
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I accepted your changes. @Sophie_B : this was the major addition of sarah…
The architects advised to add a little bit extra to that calculation; we will need to ask them for their exact recommandation but as a default we could go for a default of + 10 spaces, so a total of 73
I can try, but i don’t know if i will remember… Maybe we should talk about this in a next team building meeting?
ok for me
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I did a copy of the survey and kept what was in there before. If i look at the post, there are the ‘architects recommendations’ and regional urbanistic recommendations (which are lower).
The ones in the survey are the architects recommendations (like in second round of ‘Le program’), so i guess these can be kept?
Could you send me a link to the new survey as an editor? it would make it easier to have a look and see what we are talking about…
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@reef-building
Joannes has joined team builiding. Welcome Joannes 
I’ve added the agenda for next Tuesday’s Team Building meeting.
Let me know if you want to add sth…
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I am travelling next week and won’t make it to the meeting, sorry.
Tuesday there is a Coordination Group meeting, so I can’t make it.
sorry, it’s on Monday, and Joannes can make it
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